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North Westside Fire Rescue Boathouse and Fireboat on May 10, 2018

I took this photo of the NWFR Boathouse and Fireboat on May 10, 2018 from Valley of the Sun lookout along Westside Road.  Not bad for 30x zoom point and shoot, Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS50


Took this photo with the same camera

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Hot air balloon lands on Okanagan Lake
by Richard Rolke - Vernon Morning Star - Aug 22, 2016


North Westside fire crews remove a hot air balloon basket from Okanagan Lake Sunday.— Image Credit: Aiden Satterthwaite

There was a dramatic rescue on Okanagan Lake Sunday.

John Klempner, from Kelowna-based Okanagan Ballooning, was unable to overcome a sudden change in wind direction at about 9 a.m. and was forced over Okanagan Lake at Killiney Beach.

"On land there are more obstacles — power lines, trees and houses. On the lake, there are no obstacles and it's easier to control the situation," said Joy Klempner, John's wife.

As soon as word came that the balloon was going over water, two boats were commandeered.

"There were no issues of safety. We have a clear safety protocol," said Joy Klempner.

"The (four) passengers climbed out of the basket into the boat. There were no injuries, no problems."

It was hoped John could then get the balloon to Vernon but he didn't have enough fuel so a decision was made to land on the water.

Several boaters initiated a rescue and members of the North Westside department also jumped into action.

The department's fire boat met the Kelowna Fire Department vessel on the water and attempted to drag the submerged balloon to shore.

"The balloon was too heavy and started to sink Kelowna's boat," said Jason Satterthwaite, North Westside fire chief.

"North Westside's marine boat was able to recover the balloons basket and bring it to shore. Local resident Paul Harpnick and his daughter Geogria helped unload the basket and transport it for the pilot."

The balloon was eventually pulled from the scene by a shrimp boat.

It's not known if there is extensive damage done to the balloon.

"An aircraft engineer will have to inspect it. We will then determine if we fix it or order a new one," said Joy Klempner.

"Our first priority was our people. We got everyone off and the equipment. It (balloon) is just fabric."

The passengers from North Vancouver and Penticton apparently enjoyed the experience.

"They were so excited and were watching the news video," said Joy Klempner, who wants to thank the fire departments and boaters who provided assistance.

"Every person we encountered was so helpful. The outpouring of compassion was amazing."

Source: http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/news/390863121.html

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Unlikely boat rescue
Castanet.net - by Nich Johansen | Story: 140526 - May 22, 2015


Photo: Contributed - Michael O’Sullivan

A unique rescue took place on Okanagan Lake this week, after a broken gas gauge left a speedboat stranded.

Fire on Water, a Kelowna-based women's dragon boat team, was practising on the lake, when the group encountered the stranded boaters attempting to row to shore, having run out of gas.

Dragon boater Marlies White suggested the team help out. Rower Sue Phillips said the stranded boaters initially laughed when they pulled up, until they realized the women were serious.

The team jumped into action, tied a line to the boat and towed it back to shore at Dockside Marine Centre, just after 7 p.m. on Tuesday.

“It wasn't a long way out,” Phillips said. “It was more funny than anything.”

Phillips said the boaters had just got the boat and were taking it out for their first time. Despite the gas gauge reading half full, the boat quickly ran out of fuel.

“The gas gauge was obviously broken, so they didn't get out too far,” Phillips said. “They got better gas mileage by us pulling them in.”

The Fire on Water team is travelling to Vancouver this weekend to take part in the dragon boat festival there.

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.pdf icon October 27, 2014 Highlights of the Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting

Nothing was mentioned in the Highlights about Item 6.3 3rd Quarter Workplan And Budget Variance Report

Marine Rescue Boat Moorage
The Regional Board has approved a request from the District of Peachland to provide a one-time capital cost allocation for permanent moorage of the Regional Rescue Boat that’s based in the municipality. The $25,000 contribution will assist with expansion of the Peachland Yacht Club that will include an easily accessible spot on the water for the new larger rescue vessel.

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.pdf icon October 27, 2014 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 6.3 3rd Quarter Workplan And Budget Variance Report

.pdf icon Item 7.2 Marine Rescue Boat Moorage Peachland

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Protective Services Emergency Operations
10/23/2014
The North Westside Road Fire Department was successful In their Fire Underwriter's challenge to qualify the fireboat as a portable hydrant within the North Westside Road Fire Service Area.

Looking forward to the 4th Quarter
• Elections
• Fringe Planning Review
• Parks Review
• Fire Dispatch Project
• Completion of 2014 Initiatives and Projects

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.pdf icon October 27, 2014 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Minutes

6.3 3rd Quarter Work Plan and Budget Variance Report (All Directors - Unweighted Vote)

Staff report dated October 21, 2014 outlined the 3rd quarter work plan/budget variances to September 30,2014. The Board had previously requested a higher level quarterly measures report. The detailed year-end report with statistics will be presented in the New Year as part of the 2015 budget process.

Staff reviewed the report presented. A year-to-date budget variance chart was provided for each service. Any 'red-flag' areas of concern were highlighted. It was noted that variances in revenue and expenses are due to 2014 expenses
yet to be paid or revenue not yet received.

BAKER/EDGSON
THAT the Regional Board receive the 3rd Quarter Work Plan and Budget Variance Report for information.

CARRIED Unanimously

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Regional Rescue Services

7.2 Marine Rescue Boat Moorage - District of Peachland (All Directors Unweighted Vote)

Staff report dated October 15, 2014 outlined the request for a one-time capital expenditure to create a permanent moorage for the regional rescue boat in Peachland. The Peachland Yacht Club is planning an expansion of their facility in 2015. This one-time capital expenditure would secure the continuation of the rescue boat moorage at the Club at no charge. Due to the size of the new rescue boat a larger moorage slip is required. Staff will develop an agreement with the yacht club.

BAKER/FIELDING
THAT the Regional Board support in principle the request from the District of Peachland for a one-time $25,000 capital contribution from the Marine Rescue Program to create permanent moorage for the regional rescue boat in Peachland
subject to 2015 budget approval.

CARRIED Unanimously

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We would like to know if your house insurance rate was decreased with the new FUS recognition due to the new fireboat?  Send us a note using this form.

North Westside Marine Water Supply Accredited

A successful Fire Underwriters Survey challenge by a Regional District fire department could help some homeowners with their private insurance rates.

In late August, the North Westside Fire Rescue department put its Marine Mobile Water Supply Vessel through its paces before officials of the Fire Underwriters Survey (FUS). The goal was to gain accreditation for its ‘portable marine fire hydrant’ as a high-flow marine water supply, the first accreditation of its kind in Canada. View Photos

The department recently received word that the marine vessel has been accredited as an Alternative Water Supply for Public Fire Protection. While private insurance carriers are not required to recognize the accreditation or adjust individual premiums, the Fire Underwriters Survey recommends that they do.

As a result, this means that some property owners with detached buildings within an eight kilometer road travel distance of the North Westside fire halls in Killiney Beach and Short’s Creek and within 300 meters of the shoreline, may be eligible to receive reduced fire insurance premium rates. These affected areas serviced by the Marine Mobile Water Supply Vessel qualify as if they were protected by a fire hydrant. Property owners with questions about whether the accreditation will affect their individual homeowner insurance should contact their insurance provider.

The FUS recognition is based on several elements including written operational guidelines for the marine vessel, proper training records for those members of the paid-on-call department that use the mobile water supply boat, ongoing training and skill levels of boat operators and housing the vessel in a boathouse on Okanagan Lake.

The Regional District and North Westside Fire Rescue will continue to investigate other possible FUS challenges to assist property owners within the fire district with insurance rate adjustments.

(September 25, 2014)

Source:  RDCO What's New

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North Westside fire boat makes grade
by Staff Writer - Vernon Morning Star - Sep 28, 2014


The North Westside Fire Department’s fire boat has been accredited by the Fire Underwriters Survey.— Image Credit: Photo Submitted

New firefighting apparatus along North Westside Road is getting top marks from insurers.

The North Westside Fire Department’s fire boat has been accredited as an alternative water supply for public fire protection by the Fire Underwriters Survey.

“While private insurance carriers are not required to recognize the accreditation or adjust individual premiums, the Fire Underwriters Survey recommends that they do,” said Bruce Smith, Regional District of Central Okanagan communications officer.

“As a result, this means that some property owners with detached buildings within an eight-kilometer road travel distance of the North Westside fire halls in Killiney Beach and Short’s Creek and within 300 meters of the shoreline, may be eligible to receive reduced fire insurance premium rates.”

These affected areas serviced by the fire boat qualify as if they were protected by a fire hydrant.

“Property owners with questions about whether the accreditation will affect their individual homeowner insurance should contact their insurance provider,” said Smith.

The FUS recognition is based on several elements including written operational guidelines for the marine vessel, proper training records for those volunteer firefighters that use the mobile water supply boat, ongoing training and skill levels of boat operators and housing the vessel in a boathouse on Okanagan Lake

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OK Lake becomes fire hydrant
Castanet.net - by Ragnar Haagen | Story: 123665 - Sep 26, 2014


Photo: Contributed - Bruce Smith RDCO

The North Westside Fire Rescue department put its Marine Mobile Water Supply Vessel through its paces last month, with the goal of gaining accreditation for its ‘portable marine fire hydrant’ as a high-flow marine water supply.

That accreditation was recently confirmed, making it the first of its kind in Canada.

An added bonus to this accreditation is that while private insurance carriers are not required to recognize the accreditation or adjust individual premiums, the Fire Underwriters Survey (FUS) has recommended that they do.

This means some property owners with detached buildings within eight kilometers of the North Westside fire halls in Killiney Beach and Short’s Creek, and within 300 metres of the shoreline, may be able to get reduced rates on their fire insurance premium.

The FUS recognition is based on several elements including written operational guidelines for the marine vessel, proper training records for those members of the paid-on-call department that use the mobile water supply boat, ongoing training and skill levels of boat operators and housing the vessel in a boathouse on Okanagan Lake.

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Insurance Premiums May Be Reduced for some Okanagan Residents
Globalnews.ca - September 25, 2014 - By Klaudia Van Emmerik
 


KELOWNA – Residents living near the North Westside Fire Halls outside of Vernon may be eligible to have their fire insurance premiums reduced.

The North Westside Fire Rescue department has recently had its fire boat accredited as an alternative water supply to hydrants for public fire protection.

Property owners within an eight kilometre travel distance of the fire halls in Killiney Beach and Short’s Creek may be eligible to receive reduced fire insurance premium rates.

This also applies to residents who live within 300 metres of the shoreline of Okanagan Lake.

The Regional District of Central Okanagan says those property owners are serviced by the fire boat, and with the latest accreditation, they are considered to be protected just as if there was a fire hydrant in the area.

Property owners are are advised to contact their insurance provider to confirm whether the accreditation will result in lower premiums.

The accreditation of the fire boat as an alternative water supply is the first of its kind in Canada.

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Two New Marine Boats Ready to Go

Just in time for the busy summer boating season, the Regional Rescue Program has received two new vessels.

Once training is complete over the next few weeks, the new marine rescue boats will be operated by crews with the Lake Country Fire Department and Peachland Fire and Rescue Service and replace vessels that have been operating for many years.

The boats were supplied to the Regional Rescue Program by Kanter Marine Incorporated in St. Thomas, Ontario which was the successful bidder through a public tender process at a combined cost of $305,100. Rather than replace one boat this year and another next, some administrative efficiencies were realized by purchasing the boats for Peachland and Lake Country this year. View Photo Gallery

Each vessel has a rigid aluminum hull with inflatable collars. A new seating system and configuration incorporates shock absorbers to provide a high level of comfort and safety for those operating the boats. This will help reduce the potential for injuries and provide a safe environment for crewmembers who are often on the water during extreme conditions answering distress calls. View Fact Sheet

The Central Okanagan Regional Rescue Program has provided marine rescues since the 1980’s and with vessels stationed in Kelowna, Lake Country and Peachland, provides a rapid, reliable and trained response to marine emergencies on major Central Okanagan lakes. While local governments fund the program, the Provincial Government through Emergency Management BC reimburses costs when boats are called to respond to an emergency. The Regional Rescue Program also works with the RCMP and Central Okanagan Search and Rescue to provide appropriate responses to the boating community.

Boating is an important part of the quality of life for many in the Central Okanagan, not to mention its impact on tourism and recreation. Transport Canada estimates there are 69,000 registered boats in the region and a recent survey found on a ‘peak’ day, there were more than 1,400 boats on Okanagan Lake.

The Regional approach to marine rescue is a key component of the Rescue Program in the Central Okanagan. Since 2009, the vessel in Lake Country has responded to 21 calls on Wood Lake and Kalamalka Lake north to the RDCO boundary, the rescue boat in Peachland has handled 85 calls for help on Okanagan Lake from south of Gellatly to the RDCO boundary. In that same time, the Boston Whaler Fire/Rescue vessel located at the Kelowna Yacht Club operated by the Kelowna Fire Department has responded to 170 distress calls on Okanagan Lake from Gellatly north to the RDCO boundary.

All boaters in the Central Okanagan are reminded to be safe and practice smart boating. The Canadian Safe Boating Council reminds everyone to wear a life jacket, take a boating safety course and not to drink and boat. View more information and safety tips on the Council website: http://www.csbc.ca/

(June 27, 2014)

Source:  RDCO Whats New

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New Boathouse Open and In Service

A new boathouse on Okanagan Lake is open and in service for the North Westside Fire Rescue department.

The new waterfront building, dock and marine lift is easily accessible in the southern portion of Killiney Beach Community Park, just off Hodges Road.

The facility houses the department’s 8.4-metre Marine Mobile Water Supply and Fireboat.

Construction of the boathouse and dock was completed earlier this fall by Burton Marine and Pile Driving Incorporated, after a public Request for Proposal process. The contract includes a full two year warranty on all materials and labour used to build the structures.

Fire Services Manager Dan Wildeman says “This fully enclosed boathouse on Okanagan Lake required extensive environmental approvals from the Provincial Government and complies with all federal, provincial and local regulations. It was designed and built at a total cost of $78,000. It includes an all-electric boat lift and gasoline powered generator that provides power for interior lighting and an electric roll-up garage door with a manual override.”

North Westside Fire Chief Doug Gardiner adds, “This facility means our community’s fireboat and Marine Mobile Water Supply will be easily accessible for trained members of our department in the event it’s dispatched for firefighting and protection along the waterfront, as a water supply.”

In dedicating the boathouse which is designated Station 103, members of the North Westside Firefighter Society recognized the memory of Regan Toker, a department member who lost his life in a West Kelowna workplace accident in 2011.

Wildeman says, “The Society members are an integral part of their community and are dedicated to helping their neighbours with medical first response, fire prevention and fire protection services. The Regional District thanks the Society for its generous contribution of $20,100 which helped in part to construct and equip the new boathouse.”

View Photos from the event at www.facebook.com/regionaldistrict

(December 7, 2013)

Source: RDCO's what's new

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NWFR BOATHOUSE EVENT

RDCO Public Service Announcement regarding an event on Saturday morning December 7th at the new boathouse housing the North Westside Fire Rescue Marine Mobile Water Supply and Fireboat, at the building on Hodges Road in Killiney Beach Community Park.

This will be followed by an Open House at the Main NWFR hall at 514 Udell Road in Killiney Beach.

Also attached is a poster for the two events.

Cheers
Bruce Smith
Communications & Intergovernmental Affairs Officer
Regional District of Central Okanagan
1450 KLO Road
Kelowna, BC
V1W 3Z4


Phone: 250-469-6339
Fax: 250-763-0606
Email: bsmith "at" cord.bc.ca
Website: www.regionaldistrict.com

Communications 1450 K.L.O. Road Kelowna, B.C. V1W 3Z4 Telephone: (250) 763-4918 Fax: (250) 763-0606 www.regionaldistrict.com

November 20, 2013

Attention: Community Calendar & Events PSA Coordinator

Please consider the following PSA for use in your Community Calendar, Meetings or Events areas.

* Start date: Immediate
* End date: Saturday, December 7th – 12:00 pm

North Westside Fire Rescue Boathouse Dedication and Open House

You’re invited to celebrate with North Westside Fire Rescue as it officially dedicates its new boathouse on Okanagan Lake.

The ceremony takes place at 10:00 am on Saturday, December 7th at the boathouse, located in Killiney Beach Community Park on Hodges Road. After the dedication until 11:00 am, tour the boathouse and see the Marine Mobile Water Supply and fire boat.

Then from 11:30 am to 1:00 pm, take in an Open House at the main Station 101 fire hall in Killiney Beach (514 Udell Road). Visit with North Westside firefighters, tour the fire hall and see the equipment that services the North Westside communities.

There will be a hot dog barbeque and refreshments. Find out how to become a member of North Westside Fire Rescue which provides valuable medical first response, vehicle extrication and fire protection services to the rural community.

For more information contact North Westside Fire Rescue at 250-545-1195.

Contact:

Bruce Smith
RDCO Communications Officer
250-469-6339


Doug Gardiner
NWFR Chief
250-545-1195


click photo for a large picture.

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From North Westside Road Fire/Rescue Website
12-11-21 - Crew training is ongoing and as soon as the boathouse is in place NWFR will challange the Fire Underwriters Survey and aquire a Fire Hydrant Rating for the boat. When this has been accomplished then the larger Premium Discount on your home insurance will be available once again for Fintry Delta & Estamont the areas that have recently lost their rating. Whereas the other areas along the lake shore that do not have rated water systems will qualify for the same rates and discounts as the residents lucky enough to live in areas covered by RDCO water systems or La Casa.

Donation of $2500.00 presented by Sandy Johanson from the residents of Wainman Cove to Lt. Satterthwaite President of the North Westside Firefighters Association to go toward the boathouse and equipment for the boat. THANK YOU!!

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This is off the NWFR website

Mobile Marine Water Supply (MMWS)

•MMWS has arrived in the community pictures have been posted in the Photo Album page. The NWFR will proceed over the next few weeks with breaking in the propulsion and pump engines as well as familiarizing ourselves with the various systems involved in the apparatus operation. Then the training begins to perfect our water delivery so that we can challenge the Fire Underwriters for hydrant certification.
•MMWS successfully passed all its sea trials and pumping tests on February 16 2012. Results were Volume - 2080 GPM @ 100 psi and Pressure - 960 GPM at 275 psi. Delivery to the community is being arranged now.
•The selection committee of the fire department has recommended the Kammi & Blake submission. Permission to purchase this apparatus was given May 30 2011 by the Regional Board (details available on the RDCO Web Site). Delivery date and further details will be available soon through the fire department. Thank-you to the many residents from all areas of the Protection District that went out of their way to support this project your dedication has been rewarded.
•This long awaited piece of equipment has received unanimous approval by the Board of the Regional District of the Central Okanagan on Friday March 25 2011 With many of the community in attendance the 2011 budget for the fire department was passed this included the funding for the MMWS. Funding for this project came from the 2008 NWFR tax requisition and supplemented by a portion of the moneys paid to NWFR for services rendered to the Province during the 2009 Terrace Mountain Fire. No new money is coming from the 2011 tax requisition. The MMWS is designed to serve the entire community and will be capable of:
•Emergency evacuation escape route by water for firefighters or residents entrapped by fire within the lower subdivisions.
•Water supply for the Structural Protection Unit (SPU) or sprinkler systems deployed to structures during a wildfire threat. Structures within the 300m zone can be fed directly whereas the systems further inland will be supplied by relay tanking and water tenders.
•Fire Underwriters Rated water supply for structural suppression for properties within 300 meters of the shoreline. When the Fintry Water system brings water to Fintry Delta, Upper Fintry, Valley of the Sun and Shalal Road and goes operational that will bring the entire NWFR Fire Protection District to a 3a Dwelling Protection Grade rating. This is the goal of every community that truly appreciates fire safety.
•Water relay to tank farms for tender shuttle to the upper regions of the subdivisions.
•Direct fire suppression for fires on the shoreline, on the lake and Marina fires.
•Marine Rescue / Patient Transport - In 2010 the fire department received calls for both marine rescue type incidents and patient transport. This was without a boat. We expect that a request from either the community to the RDCO or directly from them to mandate NWFR for Marine Rescue. That would make us eligible for funding through the Regional Rescue Program for this service.
•Mutual Aid asset to the rest of the Regional District and Forestry for incidents such as the Terrace Mountain Fire, Seclusion Bay or wildfire structural protection. Many areas in the Wilson's Landing Fire Protection District, our neighbor to the south, are as challenging as our own shoreline also with no rated water systems.
•If you wish further information contact the fire department we would be pleased to explain the direct or in direct benefits of any of the equipment purchased by the NWFR.

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.pdf icon September 12, 2013 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Minutes

Minutes of the Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meetings are not usually available until after being adopted at the following meeting which would be October 10, 2013.  If the minutes are not published here yet, you can check RDCO's website to see if they are published there yet.

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.pdf icon July 23, 2012 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Minutes

12. DIRECTOR ITEMS

a) North Westside Fire Boat House

Director Edgson noted that staff are working on a proposal for the boathouse for the North Westside Fire Department's fireboat and have kept the area director informed throughout the process. A report will be coming forward to the Board in the near future.

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Contract issued for North Westside fire boat building
By Staff Writer - Vernon Morning Star - July 09, 2013

By early fall, a new waterfront building will be in place to house the North Westside Fire Department’s fire boat and mobile marine water supply.

The Regional District of Central Okanagan has awarded a $73,000 contract for the detailed design and construction of the new boathouse, which will be accessed in the southern portion of Killiney Beach Park.

“Staff has spent much of the past year documenting and making the applications for the boathouse, obtaining the necessary environmental approvals and waterfront licenses from the province,” said Bruce Smith, communications officer.

“Once the last of these permissions was received in late February, staff began laying out the criteria required for designing and building the structure. Regional parks services also gave its approval to locate the boathouse in a section of the community park.”

Burton Marine and Pile Driving has been selected as the contractor following a request for proposal process.

The contract includes a full two-year warranty on all materials and work performed in construction of the boathouse.

“Work is scheduled to begin on construction in early September with substantial completion expected by the first week of October,” said Smith.

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North Westside Fire Rescue Boathouse Contract Awarded

By early fall, a new waterfront building will be in place to house the North Westside Fire Rescue fire boat and mobile marine water supply.

The Regional District has awarded a contract for the detailed design and construction of the new boathouse, which will be easily accessed in the southern portion of Killiney Beach Community Park.

Regional District staff has spent much of the past year documenting and making the applications for the boathouse, obtaining the necessary environmental approvals and waterfront licenses from the Province. Once the last of these permissions was received in late February, staff began laying out the criteria required for designing and building the structure. Regional Parks Services also gave its approval to locate the boathouse in a section of the community park.

Burton Marine and Pile Driving Incorporated has been selected as the contractor following a Request for Proposal process conducted in accordance with the Regional District Purchasing Policy. The contract includes a full two year warranty on all materials and work performed in construction of the boathouse.

Work is scheduled to begin on construction in early September with substantial completion expected by the first week of October.

(July 9 , 2013)

Source: RDCO's What's New webpage

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.pdf icon May 9, 2013 Highlights of the Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting

Emergency Mutual Aid Agreement

The Regional Board has approved Regional District participation in a Central Okanagan Emergency Mutual Aid Agreement. All fire departments in the region have signed onto this five year agreement which allows the provision of and cost recovery for emergency resources, when requested by another participating fire department. It replaces the previous agreement signed in 2008 and reflects the current costs of providing various fire equipment and services.

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.pdf icon May 9, 2013 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 6.1 Marine Rescue Boat Replacement

.pdf icon Item 6.2 Regional Mutual Aid Agreement Renewal

.pdf icon Item 4.2 Amendment April 11 2013 Minutes (911)

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RECOMMENDATION:
THAT the Regional Board endorses the replacement of the marine rescue vessel located in Peachland.

Purpose: To ensure that marine rescue service remains consistent throughout the Central Okanagan and that rescue personnel continue to be supplied with safe equipment and resources to provide the service.

OkanaganLakeBC.ca says: Mayor Walter Grey suggested that a tax be added to cover marine rescue.

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.pdf icon May 9, 2013 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Minutes

6. COMMUNITY SERVICES

6.1 Replacement of MR21 (Marine Rescue Boat located in Peachland) Regional Rescue Program (All Directors - Unweighted Vote)

Staff report dated April 27, 2013 outlined the RDCO regional rescue marine rescue boat which is located in Peachland has been identified as a critical piece of infrastructure that requires replacement and has been identified and planned in the 2012 & 2013 capital plan, Although identified at $200,000 (at a higher level of service), the preliminary budget for a similar boat as to what is currently in operation would be in the range of $100,000, The anticipated delivery of the boat would be nine months after confirmation of purchase.

Subsequent to the Board report, staff today also requested endorsement to move forward with the other capital expenses identified and approved in the 2013 regional rescue budget including:

EOC computers - $25,000;
DWK Auto extrication package - $40,100;
boat shed - $15,038 and
equipment - $18,546.

The Board had previously requested budgeted capital items be on hold until the service review has been completed.

In discussion, it was noted that regardless of any possible marine rescue efficiencies a Peachland based boat will still be required. The question was raised as there is a window of opportunity to order the boat, and that the RDCO needs to ensure the appropriate boat is purchased (should fire suppression opportunities be considered), would it not be appropriate to have further input into the type of boat to be purchased. Technical purchasing committee, in consultation with the RESOC committee, needs to ensure the appropriate boat for the service requirements is recommended.

It was noted it would be a good idea to have a technical purchasing committee vet recommendations when purchasing emergency vehicles and equipment in the future.

FIELDING/BAKER
THAT the Regional Board endorses in principle the replacement of the marine rescue vessel located in Peachland;
AND THAT a purchasing committee be set up including the RDCO Purchasing Manager, RDCO Fire and Inspection Manager, a representative of the Peachland Fire Department and the Emergency Program Coordinator to develop the appropriate
specifications for the rescue boat and report back to the Board on its findings before proceeding with the purchase;
AND FURTHER THAT staff proceed with the purchase of the budgeted capital projects in 2013 in the amount of $99,184 (EOC computers; DWK Auto-extrication package; boat shed and equipment).

CARRIED


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6.2 Renewal of Central Okanagan Emergency Mutual Aid 5-Year Agreement (All Directors - Weighted Vote)

Staff report dated April 27, 2013 noted that all fire departments within the Central Okanagan have previously entered into a mutual aid agreement which allows for emergency resources to be provided by parties outside the fire protection boundaries of the party who requested emergency resources. This is a renewal of the agreement.

STACK/OPHUS
THAT the Regional Board approves participation in the Emergency Mutual Aid Agreement.

CARRIED

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Two boats, convenience shed damaged in Shelter Bay Marina fire
By Wade Paterson - Kelowna Capital News - August 08, 2012


West Kelowna fire crews inspect the area of Shelter Bay Marina that was damaged by fire early Wednesday morning.
Douglas Farrow / Contributor

Two boats and a small convenience shed were destroyed Wednesday morning after a fire started at Shelter Bay Marina in West Kelowna.

West Kelowna assistant fire chief Kerry Klonteig said the fire started shortly after 5 a.m.

"There were no injuries. When crews got on scene, they knocked on a few of the boats (near) the dock that was involved," said Klonteig.

"There were a couple boats that had occupants that were staying overnight and sleeping on their boat. They woke them up and took them out of harm's way."

Four engines and 20 firefighters responded to the fire, which took about 40 minutes to knock down.

Klonteig said two boats were affected by the fire.

"One sailboat was basically destroyed. Another kind of antique cruiser boat had some damage on the one side that was exposed to the fire.

"The small building at the end of the dock was basically destroyed."

An investigator is currently on scene with RCMP, trying to determine the cause of the fire.

wpaterson "at" kelownacapnews.com

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North Westside Fire/Rescue Fireboat has arrived.

We were told its sitting in front of the Fire Chiefs house on Okanagan Lake.  There is no boathouse built for the fireboat yet.  Kinda putting the cart before the horse.  Not sure that money doesn't need to be raised yet to build the boathouse.

Do you remember Director Jim Edgson saying that the fireboat cannot cost anymore than $220,000 at the February 10, 2011 Governance and Services Committee meeting, well there is another $43,469.31 added to the cost of the Fireboat now as mentioned in the March 8, 2012 RDCO Governance and Services Committee meeting audio at the link at the bottom of this section.

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Financial Plan - Ellison New Fire Truck, Joe Rich Fire Dept 20 year plan, North Westside new Fire Truck $475,000 and $220,000 Fire Boat & $30,000 Boat House and then in 2014 another new truck $350,000 and reserves must continue to be set aside, Zodiac $140,000, 1500 GPM pump, not one firefighter put his hand up against purchasing a fireboat for the North Westside Road area. Director Jim Edgson said he told the Fire Fighters that the Boat can't cost one penny more than $220,000 or there will be no boat, and that he doesn't want the Fire Boat in the Budget another year. Tax requisition on a home in COW.

HERE IS WHAT DIRECTOR EDGSON SAYS ABOUT THE COST OF THE FIREBOAT NOW.

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.pdf icon March 8, 2012 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 8.2i a Review of Budget Changes.pdf

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Increase capital budget for fireboat by $24,071" See report from Manager of Fire Services" No increase to tax requisition or increased use of reserves. Funded by reducing operating budget by $13,056 for wages, and forestry and offsetting with increased transfer to capital The NWSFR Society will donate $5,000, and other capital equipment purchase was decreased by $6,015" In 2013 - 2016, the $10,000 Wage reduction has been redirected to reserve transfers.

.pdf icon Item 8.3 North Westside Fire Department Budget Amendment.pdf

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These changes resulted in a total of $22,346.49 being added to the contracted price of $220,731.76 including 1.75% HST, and resulted in the final price of $243,469.31 including 1.75% HST.

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.pdf icon March 8, 2012 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Minutes

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Fire Chief said this about the location of the Fireboat:
We would like to be located off Killiney Beach next to the boat launch area.

We emailed back saying the following:
So that would be in the park then would it .. would you be worried about vandalism there with so many young idiots visiting the park? Maybe they want to break into the boat house to see what they can steal or maybe light the boathouse on fire?  The Fire Chief said this: I live at the end of Killiney Beach and have noticed very little vandalism there. The main problem seems to be people using it as a dumping ground for their grow op refuse and stuff they don’t want. There will be security on the building as there is on all fire department facilities and as I mentioned I am less than two minutes from there and feel very comfortable with that spot.
There will be video surveillance on the site.

We asked about power and the Fire Chief said this:
We will be self sufficient with no shore based connection to power at this time.

Then we asked this: So would the boathouse be a floating boathouse, like the rumours going around are suggesting?

Now we are waiting for this answer.

.pdf icon January 23, 2012 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Minutes

This was a director item so nothing is mentioned in the Highlights or the Agenda

10. DIRECTORS ITEMS

a) North Westside Fire
Director Edgson noted that the marine water supply (fireboat) for the North Westside Fire Department should be delivered in the near future. Staff is working with the Province on the location to house the boat.

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Pics of the North Westside Road Fireboat

It has twin 200hp four stroke yamaha's, a design speed of 32 knots, a 1500 gpm pump powered by a GM 871 cu. in. V8, 675 litres of fuel (that’s $925 to fill) and an estimated 8 hours of operating time (fuel) between the pump and the outboards. You have a roof mounted monitor and two 4 inch outlets on the boat.

 

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North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Marine Water Supply

Flyer that came in the mailbox approx. Nov 6, 2011


click for a larger copy

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Fire Boat Boathouse BBQ Fundraiser

Saturday August 27, 2011


click poster for a larger copy

North Westside Road Fire Chief said:
FYI – Poster was done by La Casa. That is NOT the boat we have on order. Thanks for printing the poster.

.pdf icon November 10, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 10.1 Quarterly Program Measures Report.pdf

Protection Services:
019 - Electoral Area Fire Prevention (Page 55): Effective January 1, 2012, Black Mountain and Glenmore Ellison Improvement Districts will be increasing the costs from $25 to $36 per hydrant for fire hydrant maintenance and servicing. This is the first increase since 1998. Staff is participating in the Regional Rescue Core Service Review.

021 -- Ellison Volunteer Fire Department (Page 59): Medical First Response calls make up 54% of the total callouts (45 out of 83). New Equipment: SCBA carbon cylinder and total of six Helmets have been purchased. New Hub Fire engine was put into service in August. Smoke Control Bylaw fines have been increased from $100 to $150. Central Okanagan Fire Chiefs began issuing permits for open burning starting Oct. 15th. This year, before lighting any fire, eligible property owners with a valid permit must call a new tollfree Outdoor Burning Hotline to discover if open burning is permitted on a particular day. Effective August 15,2011,1993 Volvo Pumper is on loan to Joe Rich VFD.

022 - Joe Rich Volunteer Fire Department and Community Centre (Page 63): The majority of callouts, 43% (22 out of 52) were motor vehicle accidents. Seventeen percent of the callouts (9 out of 52) were outside of the service area. Requests for Proposals for Water Tender/Pumper purchase have been received. Contract supplier is to be identified late October. Water cistern quotes are being collected for the Station 52 hydrant/cistern extension. Smoke Control Bylaw fines have been increased from $100 to $150. Central Okanagan Fire Chiefs began issuing permits for open burning starting Oct. 15th. This year, before lighting any fire, eligible property owners with a valid permit must call a new toll-free Outdoor Burning Hotline to discover if open burning is permitted on a particular day. Effective August 15, 2011, Ellison VFD 1993 Volvo Pumper is on loan to replace Engine 52 sold in July to Peace River Group. The Municipal Finance Authority lease was paid out on the 2004 Freightliner.

023 - North Westside Volunteer Fire / Rescue Department (Page 67): The majority of callouts, 25% (16 out of 63) were for medical first response and smoke chase / burning complaints. Twenty-one percent (13 out of 63) of callouts are outside of fire protection area limits. Kamma & Blake has received a federal grant and will be building a prototype of the Mobile Water Supply Boat. The prototype is projected to be delivered in November for the department to start a six month test period. The final boat is to be built with the price fixed at the negotiated cost. Bylaw Ticket issued to resident for burning without a permit during an Open Burning Ban. Property visited twice in one day to extinguish illegal burning. Resident lost in court when ticket disputed. The VFD to prepare an invoice for cost recovery per Section 7 of the permit. Cost recovery to lend credibility to the enforcement process on an incident involving risk of-wildfire to the community. Smoke Control Bylaw fines have been increased from $100 to $150. Central Okanagan Fire Chiefs began issuing permits for open burning starting Oct. 15th. This year, before lighting any fire, eligible property owners with a valid permit must call a new toll-free Outdoor Burning Hotline to discover if open burning is permitted on a particular day.

024 - Wilson's Landing Volunteer Fire Department (Page 71): Of the 21 callouts, 14% were for motor vehicle accidents. False business alarms made up 62% of the total callouts (13 outof21). On September 6, 2011, the department assisted Forestry and West Kelowna Fire with the Bear Creek Park Fire. Training: Two recruits have completed basic level training and have been brought into active duty as firefighters. Three attended JIBC training for Emergency Vehicle Operations. Fire Ground Operations course was attended by the Fire Chief and Captain. 1988 Chevy Tender was sold September 28, 2011 to a private individual. Smoke Control Bylaw fines have been increased from $100 to $150. Central Okanagan Fire Chiefs began issuing permits for open burning starting Oct. 15th. This year, before lighting any fire, eligible property owners with a valid permit must call a new toll-free Outdoor Burning Hotline to discover if open burning is permitted on a particular day.

030 - Regional Rescue Service (Page 78): Regional Fire Dispatch processed 5,793 calls in the third quarter of 2011. To Sept. 30, 2011: Calls within the dispatch centre have increased 3.7%. Call volume during August was exceptional as call volumes were 23% higher than normal. Dispatch Standards met in the third quarter of 2011: 98% of 9-1-1 calls answered in less than 40 seconds, 95% of calls dispatched within 60 seconds. Dispatch Standards met in the third quarter of 2011: 92% of 9-1-1 calls answered in less than 15 seconds (standard is 95%), 92% of calls processed within 35 seconds (standard is 95%). The EOC was activated (level 2) for two days to support the Bear Creek Fire. 500 persons evacuated. In the third quarter of 2011: the Regional Emergency Program activated the ESS five times. Two were for fire incidents, providing support for 5 adults, 2 children and a dog. Three major activations included 100 people evacuated long term due to an apartment fire in Kelowna; 96 people were evacuated and sheltered for a short duration from a high rise due to a gas leak; 500 people were evacuated for thirty-six hours due to the Bear Creek wildfire. PEP invoicing and recovery has now resumed with a new procedure in place at Kelowna Fire Dept. Expectations are the information to be up to date at the end of 2011. The Board has approved reallocating $25,000 from the 2011 budget to review the program to determine the best way of administering, funding and delivering the highest quality of Regional Rescue services in the interest of public safety. The contract for the Core Service Review has been awarded to KPMG. Of four qualified responses to a RFP, the evaluation committee scored the $49,750 submission from KPMG the highest. Review to commence mid October with completion projected mid December 2011. The Regional Emergency Program received approval from the Provincial Emergency Program for financial assistance for any Kelowna or West Kelowna residents, businesses or charitable volunteer organizations that sustained flood damage during the August 10th downpour.

044 - Building Inspection (Page 84): It appears there will be a deficit at year end. To September 30, 2011, 143 building permit applications were made. Building permit applications in 2010 totalled 126 at Sept. 30 and 160 for the year. Thirty-three building permits were issued for water service connections in Upper Fintry and Valley of the Sun subdivisions. Inspections continue to be carried out 2 days for COW and 2 days for COE. Amendments to the RD Ticket Information Utilization Bylaw include new ticketing offences for relevant sections of Building Bylaw. Staff assisted for prosecution on a fire bylaw ticket served by the North Westside VFD Fire Chief. Proceeding was successful. Court appearance during the third quarter resulted from a 2010 disputed ticket. The outcome of the trial is scheduled for November 1, 2011. Due to a problem with the bylaw as highlighted by the Justice of Judicial Proceedings, the outcome is expected to be unsuccessful.

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.pdf icon September 19, 2011 Highlights of the Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting

Regional Rescue Program Service Review

The Regional Board has approved a contract for a Core Service Review of the Regional Rescue Program to KPMG LLP Kelowna. A total of four qualified responses were received to a Request for Proposals and the evaluation committee scored the $49,750 submission from KPMG the highest. The review will determine the best way of administering, funding and delivering the highest quality of rescue services across the Central Okanagan region.

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.pdf icon September 19, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 9.2 Award of Contract - Regional Rescue Core Service Review.pdf

Agenda No: 9.2
Mtg Date: Sept. 19, 2011

Regional Board Report
FROM: Rod Miller - Manager Fire Services
DATE: September 18, 2011
SUBJECT: Regional Rescue Program Core Service Review - Contract Award

RECOMMENDATION
THAT the Regional Board approves awarding the contract to carry out the Core Service Review of the Regional Rescue Program to the recommended proponent, KPMG Consultants of Kelowna for $49,750.00 +HST.

BACKGROUND
At the August 11, 2011 Board meeting the Regional Board approved the increase of funds for the Regional Rescue Core Service Review to $50,000.00. After that meeting staff issued a new RFP for the service review based on the new budget. The RFP closed on August 31,2011.

Evaluation Committee:

  • West Kelowna Fire Chief Wayne Schnitzler
  • Lake Country Fire Chief Steve Windsor
  • Peachland Fire Chief Grant Topham
  • City of Kelowna Deputy Chief Jason Brolund
  • RDCO Fire Service Manager Rod Miller

The committee evaluated the proposals based on the criteria presented in the RFP and scored KPMG with the highest score overall.

1. FireWise Consulting Ltd., Shawnigan Lake BC  $37,175.00 + tax
2. Morrison Hershfield Ltd., Calgary AB  $45,040.00 + tax
3. Behr Energy Services Ltd., Calgary AB  $49,750.00 + tax
4. KPMG LLP, Kelowna BC  $49,750.00 + tax

As well as evaluating each proposal on its merits, selected references were also called as listed in each proposal. All of the proposals were within the budgeted amount. The committee agreed that KPMG had the most experience and expertise in the area of governance and service review and has much experience working with local government, listing clients such as: City of
Toronto, Fire Services and Ambulance Services Study; City of Toronto, Municipal Services Review; City of Kitchener, Organizational and Service Review of the Fire Department and many others across Canada.

It is recommended that the Regional Board approve awarding KMPG Consultants the contract for conducting the Core Service Review of the Regional Rescue Program in the amount of $49,750.00 + HST.

Rod Miller
Fire Services Manager

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.pdf icon September 19, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Minutes

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Fire Services (Weighted Vote)

9.2 Award of Contract - Regional Rescue Core Service Review (All Directors)

Staff report dated September 18, 2012 outlined the response to the RFP to carry out the core service review of the regional rescue program. Four proposals were received. It was noted that staff are recommending one of the higher bidders based on evaluation and expertise. It was noted the consulting team liaison with the RDCO will be from the Kelowna office and project leaders are out of Vancouver.

SHEPHERD/FINDLATER
THAT the Regional Board approve awarding the contract to carry out the core service review of the regional rescue program to KPMG Consultants of Kelowna for $49,750,00 plus HST.

CARRIED

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.pdf icon August 11, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 11.1 Quarterly Program Measures Report.pdf

023 - North Westside Volunteer Fire / Rescue Department (page 69): The majority of callouts, 23% (9 out of 40) were for medical first response. Smoke chase / burning complaints are 18% of callouts (7 out of 40); 23% (9 out of 40) of callouts are outside of fire protection area limits. Equipment: Nine sets of Turnout Gear have been purchased. The contract for a Mobile Water Supply boat has been awarded to Kamma & Blake for a bid of $216,935. The vessel will be used as a marine water source and has fire fighting and rescue capabilities. A 20% deposit has been made on the new Fire Boat. Standardized Reporting utilizing FDM for callouts, training & certification has been implemented effective Jan. 2011.

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.pdf icon August 11, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Minutes

11. Finance

11.1 Quarterly Program Measures Report, Year-to-date - June 30, 2011

The Quarterly Program Measures Report, year-to-date June 30, 2011, Executive Summary was presented for information and review. Staff highlighted any areas of financial concern to date within the Executive Summary.

The Committee was reminded it is staff's responsibility to identify any change from their original plans including goals, revenues, expenses and that it's the Board's responsibility to ensure the documents are reviewed and any concerns raised.

SHEPHERD/FINDLATER
THAT the Quarterly Measures Report, Year-to-date June 30,2011 be received.

CARRIED

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Mobile Marine Water Supply (MMWS)

  • The selection committee of the fire department has recommended the Kammi & Blake submission. Permission to purchase this apparatus was given May 30 2011 by the Regional Board (details available on the RDCO Web Site). Delivery date and further details will be available soon through the fire department. Thank-you to the many residents from all areas of the Protection District that went out of their way to support this project your dedication has been rewarded.

  • This long awaited piece of equipment has received unanimous approval by the Board of the Regional District of the Central Okanagan on Friday March 25 2011 With many of the community in attendance the 2011 budget for the fire department was passed this included the funding for the MMWS. Funding for this project came from the 2008 NWFR tax requisition and supplemented by a portion of the moneys paid to NWFR for services rendered to the Province during the 2009 Terrace Mountain Fire. No new money is coming from the 2011 tax requisition. The MMWS is designed to serve the entire community and will be capable of:

  • Emergency evacuation escape route by water for firefighters or residents entrapped by fire within the lower subdivisions.

  • Water supply for the Structural Protection Unit (SPU) or sprinkler systems deployed to structures during a wildfire threat. Structures within the 300m zone can be fed directly whereas the systems further inland will be supplied by relay tanking and water tenders.

  • Fire Underwriters Rated water supply for structural suppression for properties within 300 meters of the shoreline. When the Fintry Water system brings water to Fintry Delta, Upper Fintry, Valley of the Sun and Shalal Road and goes operational that will bring the entire NWFR Fire Protection District to a 3a Dwelling Protection Grade rating. This is the goal of every community that truly appreciates fire safety.

  • Water relay to tank farms for tender shuttle to the upper regions of the subdivisions.

  • Direct fire suppression for fires on the shoreline, on the lake and Marina fires.

  • Marine Rescue / Patient Transport - In 2010 the fire department received calls for both marine rescue type incidents and patient transport. This was without a boat. We expect that a request from either the community to the RDCO or directly from them to mandate NWFR for Marine Rescue. That would make us eligible for funding through the Regional Rescue Program for this service.

  • Mutual Aid asset to the rest of the Regional District and Forestry for incidents such as the Terrace Mountain Fire, Seclusion Bay or wildfire structural protection. Many areas in the Wilson's Landing Fire Protection District, our neighbor to the south, are as challenging as our own shoreline also with no rated water systems.


If you wish further information contact the fire department we would be pleased to explain the direct or in direct benefits of any of the equipment purchased by the NWFR.

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COW Director Jim Edgson May 2011 news

I would like to highlight the wonderful community building efforts of the North Westside Fire Fighters Society. As one of their many wonderful endeavours, that Society has started a building fund (tax receipts can be issued) to aid in the building a Boat House for the new vessel, which they would like to dedicate to Regan Toker, a NWFR Firefighter who died in an industrial accident in West Kelowna.

http://www.edgson.ca/archives.htm#May_2011

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Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes

July 26, 2007 (fireboat)

Oct. 4, 2007 (fireboat)

November 26, 2009 (fireboat)

 

Below are snippets of the Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes

These minutes below were not available on RDCO's website Feb 6, 2009

Snippet of Nov 20, 2008 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
Chief Carson advised that the Fire Training Centre in Vernon may be closing.  Rates for use will be increased to the point where it may no longer be affordable to utilize this facility.
Chief Carson advised that the Fire Training Centre in Vernon may be closing.  Rates for use will be increased to the point where it may no longer be affordable to utilize this facility.

 

Snippet of April 17, 2008 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
As there is no SOG for appointment for a Volunteer Fire Chief, there needs to be some discussion and input looking at how a Chief is appointed in volunteer departments, for how long, etc.
As there is no SOG for appointment for a Volunteer Fire Chief, there needs to be some discussion and input looking at how a Chief is appointed in volunteer departments, for how long, etc.

 

Snippet of March 10, 2008 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
The new water tender will be ready for B.C. Fire Chief's show.
The new water tender will be ready for B.C. Fire Chief's show.

 

Snippet of March 29, 2007 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
North Westside Road Fire Rescue Sprinkler system will only cover 18 homes and according to this document, it will take an hour before its ready to go.
North Westside Road Fire Rescue Sprinkler Trailer system will only cover 18 homes and according to this document, it will take an hour before the sprinklers are ready to go anywhere in the District.

These are only snippets of the Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes.  To see all the minutes from the snippets above please click here (3.5 MB .pdf) which contains all these minutes above and more.

These minutes above were not available on RDCO's website Feb 6, 2009.  We asked for these minutes to be posted to RDCO's website though.

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North Westside Fire Protection Parcel Tax Addition. To authorize an annual parcel tax addition of $50.00 for five years to create a reserve for the purchase of fire response equipment (fire truck)

http://www.ubcmsurveys.com/election2005/referendum.asp

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Local Government Election - Saturday, November 19, 2005

North Westside Fire Protection Referendum to purchase a fire truck - .pdf icon Official Declaration of Results, .pdf icon Poll Tally

http://www.regionaldistrict.com/departments/admin/election2005/pastresults.aspx

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“Are you in favour of the Regional District of Central Okanagan adopting Bylaw No. 1126 for the North Westside Road Fire Protection Service Area, to authorize an annual parcel tax of $50.00 for five years to create a reserve for purchasing fire response equipment? The parcel tax is in addition to the maximum tax rate of $1.35 per $1000 of taxable assessed value that can be levied for fire protection services.”

.pdf icon http://www.regionaldistrict.com/docs/admin/05Results/CEOofficialNWSFRef05.pdf

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North Westside Fireboat Approved

The North Westside Road Fire Dept website has information about the fireboat too.

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There are approx. 2,136 parcels within the North Westside Fire Service Area contributing to the fire department a June 25, 2008 RDCO email says.

$230,000 fire boat
 $30,000 boat house
 $15,600 to equip boat
  $9,900 training for the fireboat
  $5,800 operating costs
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= $291,300 divided by 2,136 parcels = $136.38 each parcel

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= $291,300 divided by approximately 190 + lake front homes = $1,533.16

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There was the referendum in 2005 to purchase a fire truck so that a loan was not required, which cost each property a flat fee of $50.00 each year for 5 years.  The 5 years was up after the 2010 property tax and the fee turned out to be more than $50.00 and was closer to $52.50.

so $50.00 x 5 = $250.00 approx. charged to each property on their property tax.

A new fireboat and a new fire truck cost each of the approx. 2,136 parcels in the North Westside Road Fire Protection Area from Westshore Estates to La Casa also known as Ridgeview ($136.38 fire boat + $250.00 fire truck) AN APPROX. TOTAL OF $386.38 charged to each property on their property tax.

The fireboat would have been charged or calculated to each property owner as a percentage of assessment unlike the fire truck where each property was charged the same amount. The above figure of approx. $386.38 charged to each property is not the actual figure because the fire boats cost would have been charged as a percentage of each property's assessment value which varies depending on the properties worth.  The figure above is only an approx. figure.

Not to mention the brand new water system that 3 subdivisions will be paying for this year that cost $17,500 or $145 per MONTH for 30 years if the owner cannot come up with the entire $17,500 by late 2011 when the water system will be commissioned for use.

And can't forget the garbage utility bill that went from $40 per year to $167 plus another $90 or so on the property tax bill for garbage (called waste/environment management) that previously was about $50 per year until this last year.  This is a TOTAL of $257 per year for garbage disposal.  Some residents have to travel 16 km's to dump their garbage because there is no curbside pickup here which is another couple hundred for gas if a special trip is made.  This is an increase of $167 in one year for garbage service that is barely what you could even call a service.

YUP taxpayers are made of money all right... enough money to be made homeless, especially if your a senior or disabled.

This is a lot of money for North Westsider's to come up with, because that ain't all they have had to pay or will have to pay in the future on their property taxes.

RDCO claiming property taxes went down, but in reality fire protection taxes rose from 2009 to 2010 and again in 2011

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These are actual tax rates that were copied off North Westside Road actual rural property tax notice for fire only.
2011 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 0.7455
2010 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 0.7883 + $52.40 Fire Truck Referendum
2009 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 0.7372 + $52.40 Fire Truck Referendum
2008 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 0.7594 + $52.60 Fire Truck Referendum
2007 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 1.0779 + $52.65 Fire Truck Referendum
2006 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 1.2542 + $52.62 Fire Truck Referendum
2005 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 1.4082 Fire Truck referendum started in 2006 and is over after 5 years.
2004 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 1.4075
2003 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 1.4095
2002 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 1.2899
2001 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 1.1702
2000 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = ??????
1999 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = ??????
1998 tax rate per $1,000 of assessed value = 0.7654

Land and building assessed at $350,000 would have cost
2011 rate in budget says 0.7455 = $260.93
2010 rate was 0.7883 = $275.91 + $52.40 ref. = $328.31
2009 rate was 0.7372 = $258.02 + $52.40 ref. = $310.42
2008 rate was 0.7594 = $265.79 + $52.60 ref. = $318.39
2007 rate was 1.0779 = $377.27 + $52.65 ref. = $429.92
2006 rate was 1.2542 = $438.97 + $52.62 ref. = $491.59
2005 rate was 1.4082 = $492.87
2004 rate was 1.4075 = $492.63
2003 rate was 1.4095 = $493.33
2002 rate was 1.2899 = $451.47
2001 rate was 1.1702 = $409.57
1998 rate was 0.7654 = $267.89

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.pdf icon May 30, 2011 Highlights of the Regional District of Central Okanagan Regional Board Meeting

Marine Mobile Water Supply Vessel Contract

The Regional Board has authorized a contract for the purchase of a Marine Mobile Water Supply (Fire Boat) for the North Westside Fire Rescue service. The bid from Kamma & Blake of $216,935.39 was the lower of two qualified bids evaluated in response to a Request for Proposals. The vessel will be used as a marine water source and has fire fighting and rescue capabilities.

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.pdf icon May 30, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regional Board Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 7.1 Award of Contract - North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Supply.pdf

Agenda No: 7.1
Mtg Date: May 30, 2011

Regional Board Report

FROM: Rod Miller - Manager Fire Services
DATE: May 25,2011
SUBJECT: North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Water Supply

RECOMMENDATION:
THAT the Regional Board approve the purchase of the Mobile Water Supply Craft (fireboat) for the North Westside Fire Department by the preferred bidder, Kamma &Blake for the amount of $216,935.39.

BACKGROUND:
At the March 25th Board meeting, the Board approved the NWFR Department to move forward with the purchase of the boat. An RFP was issued on April 1, 2011 and closed on April 21, 2011. Staff received two bids that were compliant with the RFP and two bids that were not. The two compliant bids were from Kamma & Blake for $216,935.39 and Safetek for $232,800.00.
The two non-compliant bids were missing important information or specified inappropriate equipment so they were eliminated.

The proposals were presented to the NWFR boat selection committee for evaluation and selection. The committee evaluated the proposals based on the criteria that had been established in the RFP and the boats ability to perform the tasks as required by the Fire Department, also that the pricing was within the budgeted amount of $220,000.00.

The Kamma & Blake craft met all of the requirements with no changes or amendments to the proposal and was within the budgeted amount. The Safetek bid was acceptable but was over the budgeted amount.

The NWFR Fire Department believe the proposal from Kamma & Blake meets the needs of the community for Fire Protection and provides the best value and was compliant with the RFP.

STAFF COMMENTS:
Staff recommends the selection of Kamma & Blake as the preferred bidder and supplier of the boat for NWFR (North Westside Fire Rescue)

Rod Miller
Manager Fire Services

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.pdf icon May 30, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regional Board Meeting Minutes

Minutes are not usually posted to RDCO's website until after the following meeting which will be June 27, 2011 unless a special meeting is held.

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.pdf icon March 25, 2011 Highlights of the Regional District of Central Okanagan Special Budget Regional Board Meeting

Highlights are usually available on the Regional Districts website the day after the Budget meeting but it doesn't look like there will be any Highlights published for the budget meeting

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.pdf icon March 25, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Special Budget Regional Board Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 1.1 North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Water Supply (fireboat).pdf

*NOTE* This is only a snippet of the 33 pages, so please click link above to read entire contents

Agenda No: 1.1
Mtg Date: March 25, 2011

REGIONAL DISTRICT Regional Board Report

TO: Regional Board
FROM: Rod Miller - Manager Fire Services
DATE: March 21,2011
SUBJECT: North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Water Supply

RECOMMENDATION
THAT the Regional Board approve the purchase of the Mobile Water Supply Craft (fireboat) for the North Westside Fire Department in the 2011 budget.

BACKGROUND
The concept of the Mobile Water supply began in the North Westside community as early as 2005 and has been developed from that point. Beginning in 2009 through to 2011 a series of petitions and letters from residents, both opposed and in support of the fireboat, was received by the Regional District and is included in your package along with all of the reports which the Regional Board and Governance and Services Committee have received in regards to the purchase of the boat.

Pricing was established through an RFP issued in 2010 and there are currently funds to move forward with the purchase. The Director from Electoral Area West has taken the approach that he would support this acquisition if the proposed five year plan could support the acquisition of the fireboat and if it could be funded within the current taxation levels. Staff has reassured the Director that the capital plan requirements can be met within the current tax rates.

The boat will need to be tendered again as the previous RFP was only to establish pricing.

The main points that were used in the development of the boat are:

1. Firefighter and resident safety, for example, emergency beach evacuation in the event of fire entrapment for single egress/access sub-divisions below Westside road.
2. Recognized and rated water supply or floating hydrant, example able to achieve Accredited Shuttle Certification for the Fire Protection District and Mutual Aid to the rest of the shoreline communities of RDCO.
3. High capacity mobile pump on a multi functional platform, it will deliver equipment and manpower to deploy the SPU's and equipment from the shoreline side of any incident. As will provide water to all of Structural Protection Sprinklers and/or Forestry over a long and graphically challenging shoreline as exists throughout RDCO and Okanagan valley.
4. Reduced response times for Marine Search & Rescue to the north end of RDCO and Okanagan Lake.

As per my verbal support provided to the Board at its February 10, 2011 meeting, it is my professional opinion that the purchase move forward. There is support in the community and from the chief and volunteer members of the Fire Department for this service.

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Found on page 5

The water supply would be used more for slowing process of the fire, not necessarily for saving structures.

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Found on page 5

The question was raised whether there is a requirement for a formal community vote. Staff noted there is no requirement and that it would be expensive to hold a formal referendum.

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Found on page 9

The question was raised whether the boat would be available for Regional Rescue. Regional Rescue has not considered the boat in the service - a fireboat is a very different type of boat than the Regional Rescue boats.

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Found on page 14 (costs of extra equipment is found on page 13 as well)

Mutual Aid Agreement with Okanagan Landing F.D.

If the department's assets are being deployed in their own district they may not be able to respond.. Also there would be a time delay as the boat would have to travel from their community across the lake, approx. 11 km. This time delay would be increased due to weather conditions, etc. In optimum conditions it would take 15 - 20 minutes to reach the center of the NW Fire Protection Area; also response time for the volunteers to respond to the boat could be 10 minutes making the total response time at approximately 25 - 30 minutes.

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NORTH WESTSIDE FIRE RESCUE ~ STATION 101 PROPOSED MOBILE MARINE WATER SUPPLY
Compiled by:
CAPTAIN JOHN GREENWOOD
CHIEF WAYNE CARSON
MAY 2010

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Recommendation 7: Specifically within the North Westside Fire Protection Area, it is recommended that:
1) a fire boat be purchased;
2) Superior Tanker Shuttle Service Accreditation be considered for non-hydrant serviced residential areas;
3) dry hydrants and water storage be placed in strategic locations along Westside Road;
4) water main sizes and hydrant spacing be improved where they are inadequate in existing water systems;
5) backup power supplies be installed for water supply systems;
6) expand water storage capacity in areas not adequately serviced by fire boat or existing water systems;
7) obtain back-up pumps for primary pumps on key distribution systems; and
8) gated communities or properties provide access keys to the fire department. Each of these items is important and no single item implemented alone is adequate to mitigate the identified risk.

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.pdf icon March 25, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Special Budget Regional Board Meeting Minutes

1. BUSINESS ARISING

1.1 Request by the Regional Board for report on the Marine Mobile Water Supply (fireboat) for North Westside Fire Protection Area.

The Regional Board following its March 10, 2011 meeting requested staff provide a report outlining the background reports for the fireboat, including copies of correspondence received regarding its purchase. Staff report dated March 21, 2011 outlined this information. It was noted that this process first began in 2005 and has been budgeted since 2009. The Electoral Area Director has stated he would support the acquisition if the proposed five year plan could support the acquisition of the fireboat and if it could be funded within the current taxation level. Staff confirmed that it would.

Rod Miller addressed the Board noting he recommends the purchase of the fireboat. The purchase is not unlike any other fire apparatus other than it sits on the water. From a financial perspective, the purchase is funded by the North Westside taxpayers and there is no increase in the tax rates as the purchase of the boat is from reserves.

The question was raised how mobile the fireboat would be for other needs throughout the Okanagan--will there be the ability to transfer the use of the fireboat ie: interface fires? Staff noted that if the boat is not needed in its primary area, then it would be available through a mutual aid agreement for other emergency purposes.

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2. FINANCE DEPARTMENT

2.1 2011 - 2015 Financial Plan Introduction
a) Review of changes following the March 10, 2011 Governance & Services Committee meeting
Staff reviewed the changes requested following the March 10, 2011 Governance and Services meeting. The largest impacts to requisitions were highlighted.

It was noted that transit cost sharing between West Kelowna and WFN shared routes is still under review. Director Fielding noted that the transit increase for Peachland is confusing and quite obscure. They are being asked to make a significant increase in funding without increase in level of service. Peachland is reviewing service levels. Discussions continue with BC Transit.

Final requisition adjustments will be made when the revised BC Assessment figures are received later next week.

The 2011 Tax Rates were reviewed:

 

  2011 Tax Rate
% Incr/Decr
InclDecr on
$446k home
Kelowna $.2844 0.513% $2.34
Peachland $.4186 3.151% $8.14
Lake Country $.3171 0.079% $2.01
West Kelowna $.3182 1.236% $3.62
Central Okanagan West $.9630 -2.072% - $3.19
Central Okanagan East $.8826 -2.399% - $4.25

A review of how regional districts differ from municipalities was noted including regional districts must keep all services separate and cannot combine or intermingle any funds, surpluses or deficits between any services, Currently the Regional District has 83 separate operating budgets, It was further noted that while keeping the tax rate increases at less than the BC average CPI increase, the Regional District has still managed to increase transfers to reserves and capital projects by 23.1 %.

2.2 Public Comment on 2011 - 2015 Financial Plan Chair Hobson asked if there was anyone in the gallery who wished to comment on the 2011-2015 Financial Plan. As there were a number of people in the gallery requesting to comment on the purchase of the North Westside fireboat, the gallery was informed they would be given two minutes to present their comments, It was noted the cost of the fireboat is included in the budget.

The following residents addressed the Board:

- Ian Kilpatrick, 303 Kildare Way - spoke to the sense of community in the North Westside, The boat will be used for all the community, The fireboat issue has created division in the community which is not good,
- Diane Baldwin, 10390 Pinecrest - North Westside Ratepayers: noted that 260 petitioners are opposed to the purchase and they want the Board to reconsider purchase of the fireboat. Questioned what is actually being bought. The community is small and she expressed concern on the increasing budget to the taxpayers. Questioned what the costs will be for the auxiliary equipment required,
- John Tulloch - 8525 Ewings Landing - expressed support for the fireboat. He was involved when the community first started considering the boat years ago, It did not start out to just look at a water source for lakeshore homes but it was to provide water to Westside Road, It will be a water source for the rest of community as well.
- David Robertson-586 Mountain Drive, Opposed to the purchase of the fireboat. Believed Directors should be informed before making a decision. Don't know if the fireboat can perform duties as it is supposed to do, He requested the Board vote according to the knowledge and information received. Do it fairly and dispassionately,
- Don Bennison-2279 Westside Place - Chair of Wilsons Landing Fire Department. Spoke in support of fireboat. Unique areas along the Westside with many access points that are less than desirable in an emergency, It is hoped that Wilsons Landing will benefit from the boat in emergency situations.
- Sharon Schnurr - 819 Balsam Road, Valley of the Sun, Water system will cost $17,500 for each resident. Why can't taxes go down for a change?
- Michael Thacker - 9674 Keithley Road - opposed to the purchase of the fireboat. Not fair for such a small community to pay for such an expense, Capital cost and ongoing costs to the community are significant. Cost to bring adequate water supply just to lakeshore property owners is too expensive, Not being asked to provide water to Valley of the Sun, Money
was provided through property parcel tax so he paid the same as higher priced homes.
Staff clarified that a parcel tax that was collected over five years was put aside specifically for the purchase of future fire trucks not for the purchase of the fireboat. The amount set aside for the purchase of the fireboat was surplus funds that were put in reserves.
- Ben Hanson, Valley of Sun - supports the purchase of the fireboat. It should work just fine and will give access to all the water in the lake.
- Gavin Huey, 107 Crown Crescent - has lived through a number of power outages in the community and when this occurs, the water reservoir drains down and the fire department has limited to no access to water. Has come to realize that the pumping capacity of the boat can pump water for other uses. Power outages are a common occurrence in the area. The North
Westside area has one of the highest rating for interface fires. Supports the boat for the extra fire protection that it will provide to the community. It will be a benefit to all and will be used for many purposes including suppression.
- Al Conroy, 9620 Helton Road - lives in upper portion of Killiney. Believes the boat will be a benefit to all the community. Not enough water in the water systems and if power goes out, water is not available. It will provide
water to inland fires. Strongly in favor of boat. Believes some people have been misinformed on the boat issue.
- Debra Igelhart (?), 519 Leah Road, Killiney Beach - if the purchase of the fireboat saves one life, one family, one home, one stand of trees its paid for itself. It will protect the community and that is what people should be
looking at.
- Sharon Schnurr - not happy the meeting is being held in the daytime.

2.3 Regional District of Central Okanagan 2011 - 2015 Financial Plan Bylaw No, 1289, 1st, 2nd and 3rd readings and Adoption (All Directors - Weighted Vote)
There were no comment on first, second or third readings.
Staff was asked to provide the summary PowerPoint presentation on the budget to municipal staff for their information.

With regard to the purchase of the fireboat, final comments included:
• Paid for by the North Westside taxpayers;
• The area director is convinced much of the community supports the purchase;
• Lack of power supply during power outages to pump water is of great concern;
• The faster you can get to a fire, the quicker it can be fought;
• It is unfortunate the issue has divided the community.
• Sometimes residents must pay for services they don't directly benefit from--that is part of being in a community.
• Options have been well researched.
• Those that questioned the cost of the fireboat have forced the Regional Board to take a closer look at the costs.
• We live in a community where fire risk is high and part of living in a community is to pay for resources needed. It is hoped the community comes together to mutually support each other to improve health and safety throughout the area.

SHEPHERD/OPHUS
THAT Regional District of Central Okanagan 2011 - 2015 Financial Plan Bylaw No. 1289, 2011 be given first, second and third readings and adopted this 25th day of March 2011.

CARRIED

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Apparently at the last Governance and Services Committee meeting, the Fire Services Coordinator was asked to submit a report about the need for a fireboat to the Regional Board for the Budget Meeting March 25, 2011.

In the North Westside Road Fire Chief Wayne Carson's own words

Why wouldn't a 4x4 pickup or bush truck be better to fight fires on the waterfront and in the bush than a fireboat?

A “bush” truck is designed to fight wildland fires, to try and fight a structure fire with a bush truck would ultimately lead to a law suit when you lose the house. Apparatus (and this includes the boat) used to fight a structure fire is rated(apparatus/pump), certified (NFPA) and recognized by the insurance companies that insure your homes. Bush trucks are not rated nor recognized (no water supply, pump too small, no structural equipment). In the bush with no structures these bush trucks (that’s why Forestry uses them) are well suited for fire location and initial attack but are useless (except for escape) if the fire moves to extended attack (you don’t get the fire out or under control).

I believe that the new Polaris unit will handle the smaller “bush type” fires (illegal or abandoned campfires, lightning strikes etc) and the two water tenders (one 4x4) with their interface capabilities, on board pumps, foam systems and 1500 gallon water supply give us a much better shot of success on the initial attack.

The “boat” is primarily a water supply for suppression and protection purposes, firefighter and resident safety and to allow the fire department to do our primary job save your home (obviously the boat will also be capable of standalone structural suppression, marine rescue, shoreline evacuation, patient transport and equipment delivery plus much more).

Fighting wildland fires and being drawn like a moth to the big flame is in my opinion the reason fire departments lose so many homes in wildland type fires. To fight a wildland fire that has reached or exceeded Rank 3 in growth IS A WASTED EFFORT for a fire department, we will not win.

While fire departments are out doing Forestry’s job with inadequate equipment (we have no helicopters, air tankers, bulldozers, 100 man ground crews, etc) the houses they are funded and responsible for will be in flames. No piece of equipment works equally well everywhere and no part of a community should receive preferential treatment over another. We are all in this together and we will survive or not together.

Everyone pays the same rate for fire protection and it is my job as the fire chief to see that there is a level playing field when it comes to a fire department response throughout the North Westside Fire Protection District.

Below is some more information, we just added that the Fire Chief told us on March 13, 2011, March 14, 2011 and March 15, 2011

Dave Robertson has a couple information files (.pdf) here that he wants to share.

Dave says:

Here are a couple of articles which should inform the people about the actual cost of the fire boat (double) and what RDCO staff think of it.

The chief says a bush truck would be inadequate for structural fires. That's true. However, I have been advocating, not a bush truck, but a new engine which is equipped to handle structural fires as well as being able to access difficult areas. For a concept of it, google: CDF trucks+california. They are designed to access all areas quickly and handle both structural and wildfires. A boat response to a structural fire, even under ideal weather circumstances would be at least an hour-certainly not enough time to "save" any structure. Witness the response time for the two structural fires last fall next door to the fire hall which resulted in two total losses. Any scientific, reasoned, logical thinking would indicate the fire boat could NEVER perform as claimed. If you substitute the word "elephant" for "fireboat" in all the arguments you would realize none of the arguments has changed!!!

About the tax burden of buying a fireboat

About what the staff report said

A link Dave sent about CDF Trucks

Here are some pictures of CDF Fire Trucks Dave emailed as well.

 

CDF FIRE ENGINE - MODEL 24 (near bottom of page at link)

 

For more information please see Dave Robertson's website.  Dave welcome's all ideas, input and inquiries.

I looked at a Darley pump of 1500 gpm specs for a fireboat. It will give 1500 gpm at 150 psi and lift it 300' However at 300' "head" there will be no water flow. It will give 1050 gpm at 200 psi (lift 400'), and will give 750 gpm at 250 psi (maximum rating to lift 500") with no water flow at that height. Friction loss will be 10%. This is through a 4" hose. How long will it take to string 1200 feet of 4" hose up to Valley of the Sun and secure it so it won't slide down? A hose of 2 1/2 " will only allow about 500 gpm (vs 1500 gpm) and a hose of 1 1/2 " will only give 100 gpm. The "rating" for most pumps is 150 psi for most efficient operation. Much less water is pumped at 250 psi. These pumps cannot exceed 250 psi for long! The chief says he will pump 1500 gpm at 375 psi, 515 vertical feet to Valley of the Sun. ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE!

A floater pump does not cost $80,000.

Insurance companies DO recognize a properly constructed stationary pumphouse.

West Kelowna has one tender-we have three. We do not need another tender if there is no fireboat. Mutual aid would bring us a dozen tenders at short notice if requested.

We are not in the business to use a fireboat or other equipment as an income source-they are for OUR protection!

A fire boat could never serve the 500 homes claimed efficiently. A CDF truck would serve us all better.

Cheers,
Dave

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What Fire Chief Wayne Carson told us about the Fire Boat.

We spoke with the Fire Chief Wayne Carson March 13, 2011.  He said he thinks the Fireboat is still in the budget.  He said that the Fire Dept is looking at three Brands of pumps for the Fire Boat that would pump 1500 gallons per minute.  The Brands are Hale, Waterous, and Darley.  He said that the equipment manufactured by these companies are three of the Brands that are recognized by the Fire Insurance Industry.  He said that the Fire Dept investigated a floater pump, and that a floater pump would cost between $60,000 and $90,000 each and that a Fire pump on the Fireboat would only cost about $40,000.

The Fire Chief said that the Okanagan Landing Fire Chief suggested the Fireboat should have a cabin because the firefighters get cold if its cold and windy.  We imagine it would be better for someone just plucked from frigid cold water as well.  The Fire Chief praises the Okanagan Landing Fire Chief for helping decide what type of Fire Boat to purchase.  Our Fire Chief said that the Okanagan Landing Fire Boat was found under water a couple of times due to a plug not being replaced in the fire pump or something like that, and that the Fire Boat we would be buying would have a different type of system so that this would not happen with the Fire Boat we would purchase.

 The Fire Chief feels he could keep two sets of water bladders that could be set up alongside Westside Road full of water by using a Fireboat, and that the fire trucks could then take water from the bladders for fire fighting.  We have 4 water bladders. 

He said that a Fire Truck can not manoeuvre down some of the roads in the subdivisions, and that a Fireboat would be used in those circumstances.  As for fighting fires in the upper subdivisions, the Fire Boat would sit in the Boat House because if the subdivision had an approved water system, a Fire Boat would not be needed.  He said a Fire Boat would be needed more for fires alongside Okanagan Lake and for filling bladders and using it for a sprinkler system on houses.

The Fire Chief said he could have made money with a Fire Boat on the Terrace Mountain Fire, and that the money would have helped to pay for the Fireboat.  Instead Forestry paid La Casa for use of their water during the Terrace Mountain Fire. 

He said if we buy a Fireboat, that there could be mutual aid with Wilson's Landing and others who would have to pay a fee for use of the boat and which would help recoup costs. 

He said that any training on the Fire Boat would by paid by Regional Rescue and not by the North Westside Road Fire Protection Area.

To refuel the Fireboat, the Fireboat would be taken out of the water up to the Killiney Beach Fire Hall where the fuel tanks are currently located, and to where an inspection could be done after a call.  Then the Fireboat would go back into Okanagan Lake ready for the next call.  He said this is what they do with the fire trucks.  The fire trucks are checked over after a call and refuelled ready for the next call.  If mechanical work is needed, RDCO's mechanic will come out to the North Westside to work on the fire trucks.

The Fire Chief said that Insurance Companies do not recognize a homeowners own sprinkler system for a reduced insurance rate so that is why a Fire Dept is needed.

We are now going to write some emails to these companies, asking what Floater Pumps cost.

Home Fire Fighting Cart costs between $3,200 (6hp) - $4,600 (13hp)

Hale Floater Pumps - The Super Chief exceeds 420 GPM and operates in only three inches of water $2,315.00 US here

Does it look to you like the Seattle Fireboat with a 3000 GPM flow could pump water up to Westside Road from Lower Fintry for instance, if in this photo the Seattle Fire Boat has the water pump on full blast??

Twin 8FG 3000 GPM pumps on Seattle fire boat by Metalcraft Marine Boats
Seattle's Fireboat - Twin 8FG 3000 GPM pumps on Seattle fire boats by Metalcraft Marine Boats

The pump that will pump water for the Upper Fintry/Valley of the Sun/Shalal Road proposed community water system will be 100 HP, so said Chris Radford from the Regional District at the water meeting March 12, 2011.

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March 14, 2011

After looking at the websites with the fireboats, the next day we called the Fire Chief Wayne Carson back to ask some more questions.  The North Westside Road Fire Chief told us:

The fireboat the Fire Chief wants to buy will have the following:
250 ft lift = 1050 GPM
500 ft lift = 750 GPM
So when the water needs to be lifted 500 ft then only 750 GPM comes out vs. lifting the water 250 ft and having more water come out (1050 GPM) at a time.

He said this is basically the calculation how to figure the lift out:
50 psi = 100 ft of lift
100 psi = 200 ft of lift
300 psi = 600 ft of lift

The Fire Chief said his GPS said that the top of Valley of the Sun hill = 515 feet from Okanagan Lake

The Fire Chief feels the 1500 GPM water pump 375 psi he wants to buy, will pump the water up to the highest point which is at Valley of the Sun viewpoint along Westside Road just 2 km's north of Fintry Provincial Park, he said.

He said if there was a fire at Valley of the Sun he would set up water bladders at the Valley of the Sun viewpoint and charge them with a dry hydrant which is a plastic PVC pipe coming up the hill to a fire hydrant at the top of the hill that sits empty until its charged with water from the fireboat.  The fireboat could hook into the PVC pipe from down at the lake and provide water at the top of the hill into the fire hydrant (the dry hydrant) where the fire trucks and/or water tenders could charge their tanks with water and head to where they need to go.  There are other locations that the chief could shoot water to alongside Westside Road he said.  He was saying he could set up at Westshore Estates pullout with 4 - 2,500 gallon water bladders and at other viewpoints and pullouts (bladders are like a plastic bag that holds water, like in a water bed).

The North Westside Road Fire Chief Wayne Carson also said:
If a fireboat is not purchased, another water tender would be needed, which costs more than the fireboat.
A water tender is the truck with a tank on the back that hauls water to the fire trucks fighting the fire.  A water tender does not fight a fire, but only hauls water.

The fireboat would fill the water tenders who would then haul the water to the fire trucks if there was no water or they ran out of water which has occurred in the past at both Estamont Beach private water system and Fintry Delta private water system.  There are currently three subdivisions with no water system at all, and people haul their water ... Valley of the Sun, Upper Fintry and Shalal Road.  A water system is being built for these three subdivisions, and will be ready late this year (supposedly).

The monitor on the Fireboat will be 2 1/2" in diameter
The monitor is the part that the water shoots out of into the air or into a PVC pipe to go up the hill to a dry hydrant.  Here is a picture of what a bow monitor looks like.  The water will come out of the monitor 2 1/2 inches round.

The water pump will have two - 2 1/2" discharge ports plus one - 5" discharge port
The fire hoses or pvc pipe will hook up to the discharge ports, and we imagine to the smaller ports.  We are not sure what the 5" port would be used for and forgot to ask about that.

He says to have a look at New York's 27 million boat (video) that isn't missing a thing... its the perfect boat he said.  We bet the fire dept wouldn't mind having that boat!

He said Vancouver lost its fireboat to San Francisco.  Vancouver had to buy several boats to replace that one boat Vancouver lost to San Francisco, he said.

New York Fire Dept - Each of the two Fireboats will have the capability of pumping 50,000 gallons per minute providing these Fireboats with the greatest pumping capacity of any Fireboat in the world.

New York Fireboat History (smallest fireboat is 2000 GPM)

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March 15, 2011

Boy are we in deep do do for telling someone that the Fire Chief told all the firefighters not to say anything about the fireboat.  We found out it wasn't the Fire Chief who wanted to keep this important information from the community, but it was our Regional Director who told the Fire Chief not to talk about the fireboat.  If the Fire Chief is not permitted to say anything, then the firefighters wouldn't be able to talk about it either, and so we imagine the Fire Chief told all the firefighters not to talk.  We won't say how we found this information out, but its out now.

We did speak with the Fire Chief some more today.  We had a few more questions about fighting fires in the bush.

Why can't conventional equipment be used in the bush, like a 4 x4 or quad for instance?

The Fire Chief said that a water tender (water tank on a truck) is dangerous to manoeuvre, and that they cannot be taken on rough roads we have around here without fear of the water sloshing around in the back of the truck affecting the driving ability.  For instance a water tanker cannot be driven up to the White Elephant mine.  Only the quad or bush truck could attend to fires far in the bush, and that the fire engines cannot attend either.

The Fire Chiefs 4x4 Bush Truck = 160 gallons of water
Polaris Quad = 60 gallons of water

One water tanker costs about $250,000 now a days.
We have two water tenders (water tanks on trucks that don't fight fire, but just haul water)

Forestry paid the North Westside Road Fire Dept for putting the fire out at the White Elephant mine a few years back as well as for the Ceasars Landing fire a few years back because the fires were on crown land.  Did you know there were two fires and one accident that the North Westside Road Fire/Rescue Dept responded to a few years back, all in one afternoon.  The Fire Chief said he left the Ceasars Landing fire to attend to Valley of the Sun fire across from the mailboxes.  The tree was on fire there, and after the fire was put out they had investigative officers stationed at the entrance to Valley of the Sun checking people going in and out because they thought it could have been arson, and so they were asking everyone going in and out questions about what they knew.  It could have been some idiot throwing their cigarette butt out the window right there??

The Fire Chief said he would do his best to put out any fires in the bush that he is capable of.  In the case of the Terrace Mountain Fire, it was Forestry's territory.  His territory was the subdivisions.  All crown land is Forestry's responsibility but that the North Westside Fire Dept will respond if permission is granted from Forestry, is how we understood it.

The Fire Chief said, it is not the helicopters that put fires out, but its the helicopters that attack the fire so that ground crew can get in there to make sure its out, and that they both pretty much need each other basically.  The fire fighters can't put themselves in dangerous situations, but the helicopter can help cool the fire down so that fire fighters can get close enough to work on a fire, and water is needed to do that he said.

The North Westside Road Fire Dept has one older Floater Pump.

Remember the Fire at Killiney Beach on Moody Cres. a few months back where the home was completely destroyed.  The Fire Chief said some sand ended up in the Fire Trucks water pump from the community water system, and it wrecked the water pump on the fire truck.  How the sand got in the community water pipe is beyond us.

The Fire Chief said if there was a fire at Valley of the Sun, that the Fire Dept could dig a hole in Shorts Creek to get water, if the creek water was too low.  But he also said that there is a lot of turbidity in Shorts Creek water that wouldn't be good for the water pump either.  He is right about turbidity.  One day we filled up our water jugs there when run off was coming down the mountain.  We let the jugs sit for two days and it still didn't settle.  It was really bad and we ended up watering flowers with that water in the end.  That was the last time we ever tried getting water from Shorts Creek.

In listening to the RDCO Board meetings, Peachland was looking at buying a rescue boat for almost as much as a fireboat would cost.  Peachland's alternate director questioned the ethics of buying just a Zodiac, when a Fireboat wasn't that much more money and they could have both fire protection and a rescue boat instead of just a rescue boat.

The Fire Chief said the fireboat is not really designed for fighting wildfires, but its more for fighting homes, docks and boats on fire, and for rescuing people on Okanagan Lake.

The fireboat for the North Westside will be designed to run sprinklers on homes which the Seclusion Bay fireboat is not set up to do he said.

The Fire Chief said that several ATVs equipped with water cannot fight a house fire.

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March 22, 2011

The Fire Chief says our North Westside Fire Vehicles carry the following water supply:

1 Polaris ATV = 60 gallons
1 Light Attack vehicle with “Compressed Air Foam or CALF’s” = 260 gallons
1 4x4 Bush Truck sits at Shorts Creek = 500 gallons
Fire Engines = 500 gallons each
2 Water Tenders = 1,500 imperial gallons each
1 bush truck with no water tank = 0 gallons
2 full sized “Triple Combination Pumpers” with 500 gal each


The Polaris ATV is Inducted Class A foam capable.

"The Polaris is the only fully equipped “Bush” vehicle NWFR operates, although the two water tenders have a wildfire capability for Initial Attack, the Polaris far exceeds any “bush” truck that Forestry or any fire department currently operates", the Fire Chief said.

The 4x4 Tender is at Shorts Creek and has 1500 imp. gal. and would be used for "initial attack" along with the other Tender from Killiney Hall.

Apparently the one bush truck that held 110 gallons has no tank on it at the moment.  Forestry put a 110 gallon slip tank on it during the Terrace Mountain Fire but removed it after the fire.  "Our old “bush” truck is now used for crew and equipment transport, the Chief said."  "It no longer has a tank because that was returned to Forestry after the Terrace Mountain Fire at their request", the Fire Chief said.

The 4x4 bush truck is tall and wide, which makes it difficult to access some places, the Fire Chief said.  The bush truck is mostly for bad driveways in the winter time, the Fire Chief said.  One of the Water Tenders is also a 4x4.

Joe Rich's new 3000 gallon truck mentioned in the .pdf icon February 10, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Minutes is a water tender Fire Chief Wayne Carson said. The Fire Chief confirmed that we only have two water tenders and not three as Dave Robertson mentioned. We would have had three water tenders the Fire Chief said, but the older water tender (think he said 1981) was sold when we bought the new one.

Fire Chief Wayne said if we purchased a larger Fire Engine or Water Tender that could carry more water, it would get stuck and have a hard time getting around because it would be bigger and a lot heavier.

Regional Rescue

The North Westside Road Fire Chief Wayne Carson said that although the fireboat may only be a fireboat at first, he feels the Regional District will convert it to a Regional Rescue Boat as soon as we get the boat.  He thinks the Regional District would feel compelled to, because someone would sure be complaining if they were not rescued with a boat sitting there.

There is a memo in the March 25, 2011 Budget Minutes that suggest equipping the fireboat as a rescue boat would cost $20,000 for the equipment.

The Fire Chief said PEP would pay for equipment, training, gas, etc for the rescue boat.  In the Feb. 10, 2011 G & S Committee Meeting Minutes shown below, it says Regional Rescue boats recover about 50% of the cost of an emergency call from the Provincial Emergency Program (PEP).

.pdf icon February 10, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Minutes

6.2 Delegations

6.2.1) Regional Rescue Increases - Tom Doherty, City of Kelowna Fire Department

1. Doherty presented the increases to the Regional Rescue program including:
• Increase in training and education.
• Increase in radio licensing fees (no control over increases).
• Fire dispatch increase tied to contractual obligations to the City of Kelowna.

Shift coverage to cover training is not included in the budget.
• Increase in response times - marine rescue (double over the year previous), high angle calls.
• Administration fee increase from the City of Kelowna.
• Transfer for reserves - vehicle replacement plan for the next ten years - marine boats, hazmat trucks.
• Carryover from last year for EOC equipment.
• JEPP grant expenditure.
• 2011 vehicle replacement for Peachland's rescue boat-it is nearing 20 years in age and continuous upgrade required.
• Regional fire chiefs were provided with an update on the budget and no concerns were brought forward.
• Peachland zodiac boat is being replaced out of reserve funds - actual tax requisition is for operation and setting aside future reserves.
• Placement of the three regional rescue boats and response areas was highlighted: Peachland-south, Kelowna-central, Lake Country-Duck & Wood Lake and could be brought into Okanagan Lake. If boats respond to regional emergency calls about 50% is recovered from the Provincial Emergency Plan.
• Preliminary research has been done on the cost of the boat replacement and allocated funds for storing the boat.

ACTION: Staff to provide a full report on the regional rescue service and emergency operations program at a future Governance and Services Committee meeting.

6.2.2) Joe Rich Fire Department (review purchase of a fire truck) Rod Miller, RDCO Fire Services Coordinator R. Miller reviewed capital plans for the Joe Rich Fire department for the sale of an existing leased truck, payout of the lease, and purchase of a new fire truck.

• The purchase was budgeted in 2010 but staff did not move forward as the a full review of the equipment for the department was required by the Fire Services Coordinator.
• Ellison Fire department is purchasing a new engine and the engine in service there will go to Joe Rich in the interim until the new truck is in place.
• Water source has been identified as an issue in the community.
• Plan to expand the cistern and water capacity stored in the area and the new truck will carry more water. The current truck carries 1000 gallons where the new truck will carry 3000 gallons.
• Initially two new cisterns are being considered, one at Station 52 to 40,000 gal and one at Station 51. A lot of the work will be accomplished through volunteer labor by the fire department.
• As well, staff are looking at improving storage at the Falconridge water system which will provide more water for the fire department.
• Insurance grading will increase with the new truck purchase.
• Request for Proposal is ready to go once approval is given.
• The Joe Rich Fire Chief presented a 20-year plan to the Community Association and the information was well received.

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6.3 2011 Budget Review

Development Services

Ellison Fire department - staff are having a second look at the budget for the March meeting. Cost of truck will need to be partially short term financed. Remove truck from 2016 projection.

Joe Rich Fire Department - recommendation to sell Engine 52, pay lease out and purchase a new tender. Reserves to be put aside for future truck purchases in 2018, 2024 and 2028.

North Westside Fire - fireboat has been included in the budget. The fire chief and department support moving forward with the boat purchase. The Director and staff have looked at the purchase against other capital costs (ie: truck purchase in 2014 of $350,000) for the department and support the purchase of the boat. Reserves must continue to be set aside. Funds recovered from the Terrace Mountain Fire have been put into reserves.

The question was raised whether the boat would be available for Regional Rescue.
Regional Rescue has not considered the boat in the service - a fireboat is a very different type of boat than the Regional Rescue boats.
A question was raised what the difference is in the boats as the budget projected by Regional Rescue for a new boat is $140,000 whereby the cost of the fireboat is projected at $220,000.

Regional Rescue
Largest requisition increase. Capital costs were outlined. Reserves to increase from $30,000 to $100,000, then $150,000 in future years. Vehicle replacements totaling $950,000 in 2013 & 2017 (rescue boat $200,000 and haz mat truck $750,000).

ACTION: Staff to request further information on the specs and proposed use for the Regional Rescue boat.

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Financial Plan - Marine Rescue, Emergency Program, Zodiac, Joe Rich New Fire Truck and 2 Cisterns, 2009 Terrace Mountain Fire Recovered Fund Surplus $12,853 transferred to reserves in 2010 after fire fighters were paid.

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FLOATER PUMP

The Hale Super Chief delivers a flow of 420 GPM (1590 LPM) with one discharge port or a maximum pressure of 50 PSIG. The Super Chief can also throw a stream of water more than 90 feet for direct firefighting capabilities. (Valley of the Sun is 515 ft. higher than Okanagan Lake the Chief said)

Float assembly folds in half for easy storage in truck compartments Engine and pump assembly quickly detaches from float.

The entire lightweight package easily transports and allows carriage by two people.

Pump output exceeds 420 GPM/1590 LPM.

Ideal for drafting from ponds, streams, lakes or pools. The unit operates in only three inches of water.

$2,315.00 US here

 

Home Fire Fighting Station $895 US

The Fire Chief says your Fire Insurance won't be any good if you try fighting your own fire.

The Fire Chief said he doesn't recommend people to fight their own fire, but to call the Fire Dept. as soon as someone notices the fire, or the fire dept may not be able to save what ever is on fire.  Homeowners have not called the Fire Dept right away on a couple of occasions lately and have lost everything trying to first fight the fire themselves.

 

If you are in support of the fireboat or not, here is the contact information where you can send your opinion:

COW Director Jim Edgson:

Rod Miller - Fire Services Coordinator:

Cc: Harold Reay - CAO:


OR

Phone COW Director Jim Edgson: (250) 212-7296

Phone the Regional District: (250) 763-4918

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Harold Reay is Chief Administrative Officer

Robert Hobson is Chair of the Regional Board

and Rod Miller is Fire Services Coordinator

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.pdf icon March 10, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Agenda

This letter is not on the Regional District of Central Okanagan's website.

North Westside
Ratepayers Assn.
10390 PINECREST ROAD
Vernon , B.C. V1H 2B1
PHONE +1.250.542.8461
FAX +1.250.542.8461 (call first)
EMAIL: zoeandus "at" telus.net

FOR G & S MEETING - MARCH 10, 2011

March 7, 2011

Mr. Robert Hobson, Chair
Regional District of Central Okanagan
1450 KLO Road
Kelowna, B.C. V1W 3Z4

Attention: Chair and Board Members, Harold Reay, Dan Plamondon, Rod Miller

Dear Mr. Hobson:

Re: Purchase of a Fire/Rescue (?) Boat for North Westside Fire/Rescue

The North Westside Ratepayers Association (and 260 petitioners) again unequivocally says “No” to the purchase of a fireboat for the North Westside.

There is little new information that we are privy to except the boat has increased from the original $120,000.00 to $220,000.00 which is close to double the original cost.

Jim Edgson emphatically stated this (fireboat issue) had gone on long enough. Frankly we concur. What needs to be discussed here is “why?” We believe this issue has gone on so long because the “efficacy” of the fireboat has never been proven. We have moved from Fireboat to Marine Mobile Water Supply and finally to Fire/Rescue Boat.

Again we wish to reiterate that the fireboat purchase IS subject to Fire Chief Technical Committee (FCTC) approval. However, in 2010 someone at RDCO declared that Rod Miller could make decisions regarding equipment purchases.

The NWRA maintains the original criteria which was a) Board approval; b) Fire Chief Technical Committee and; c) Community approval; put in place in 2008 should be followed. Does the Fire Services Coordinator, Rod Miller question the FCTCʼs views that purchase of new equipment should be based on actual response figures not on one or two dispatch incidents; their concerns re training requirements and available personnel; that fireboats were not meant to fight structures, they were meant to fight fires on docks and boats; concerns re liability and maintenance issues; and floater pumps being used as alternatives.

This is all on record in the FCTCʼs minutes.

A fireboat was not used on the Terrace Mountain Fire or the Kelowna Fire due to the lack of technical feasibility of the unit. This would have been the call of very experienced Fire Chiefs from Kelowna and Regional Operations. High winds are also a consideration as it is difficult to control fireboats in heavy waves which is often the case on Okanagan Lake. During high fire season when a “911” call goes in and it is determined to be an interface situation the Ministry of Forests Protection Branch dispatches water bombers, helicopters and ground crews.

The extra money to purchase this fireboat appears to have come from funds (leftover) from the Terrace Mountain Fire. Monies from the Terrace Mountain Fire belong to the taxpayers and after expenses are paid monies remaining should be put in reserves for future needed expenditures such as a new truck 2014.

Mr. Miller also claims that there are many homes on the Lake that are inaccessible by conventional fire trucks. This is nonsense . . . how many homes on Okanagan Lake were built by barging materials in? I am not disputing that some homes on the Lake have steep access just as homes in Westshores and Killiney Beach have steep accesses. Perhaps a 4 wheel drive fire truck would better serve the needs of all the people on the North Westside.

We will attempt to put some of our arguments against this purchase in point form as follows:

- It is not the fire departments nor the Communityʼs mandate to provide cheaper insurance rates to one part of the Community.
- The North Westside Fire Department services is small - supporting approximately 2500 people.
- The North Westside Fire Department has not been trained adequately nor does it have the staff to man this fireboat/rescue boat and attend to the first responder and fire issues beyond the Lake.
- Rod Miller by his own admission did not have expert knowledge on fireboats and their capabilities.
- the rescue service is already provided to us through Regional Rescue so will we be paying for 2 rescue services?
- the fireboat at Okanagan Landing is still available should the need arise, Vernon Search and Rescue also responds to calls on this end of Okanagan Lake initially utilizing the Okanagan Landing rescue boat which is close by until they
can transport their larger, more sophisticated one.
- floater pumps are a much cheaper option, they could be moved down narrow, steep hills and roads using the new 4 wheel drive Mule (atv) that was purchased last year.
- $30,000 is a conservative estimate for the fireboat housing as it has to be a 24/7 operation. We look to see these costs rise. Killiney Beach is very congested during the summer months with parking at a premium so access problems are a concern. Will the location affect Killiney Beach and Park that is so heavily utilized now? We feel the cost of ancillary equipment and training have been minimized as well.
- Rod Millerʼs report to the Board February 22, 2010 completely left out any discussions on alternatives such as floater pumps. Floater pumps are easily transported and can be purchased under $10,000. Some homes on the Lake already have their own pumps. His report spoke of “manning issues” which we have already addressed.

The NWRA did not just simply send a letter saying we did not support the fireboat and in one weekend collected 260 signatures against it. We feel it is not enough for a community group to write a letter saying that they support or do not support an issue, they must demonstrate it and we have.

Jim Edgson invited a spokesperson for the “Concerned Citizens” to speak in favour of the fireboat.  She was questioned vigorously by Mayor Shepherd as to the name of the group and how many were represented. She could not answer all the questions adequately and there has never been any evidence of signatures supporting her position or the legal legitimacy of this group. In one weekend we collected 260 signatures against the fireboat and this petition is on record at the Regional District.

In closing we would like to say this is a very well equipped volunteer fire department with a full time fire chief which is almost unheard of in volunteer departments. There are 2 fire halls and 8 large pieces of equipment. The full time salary of the Fire Chief alone puts a large dollar commitment on the taxpayers of this area. Residents on the North Westside generally accept that equipment purchases must be made; however, surely common sense must prevail. We ask you: “how many times in a year do you really think this fireboat will be needed?” If there is a surplus (Terrace Mountain fire) what would be wrong with our fire taxes going down? Fire taxes are a large percentage of our entire tax requisition.

Jim Edgsonʼs comments from the Governance and Services Committee Meeting audio when addressing the Fire Department were: “no more flaky ideas.” We concur and this statement should be taken into consideration when making this decision.

yours truly,
Diane Baldwin, President
Allastair Fergusson, Director
NORTH WESTSIDE RATEPAYERS ASSOCIATION

cc Mary Jane Drouin (email and regular mail)

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.pdf icon Item 3.1 New Official Community Plans Update.pdf

.pdf icon Item 4.1 Woodhaven Regional Park UBCO Eco Art Project Update.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.2 Budget Introduction.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.1 b-i NewStaffing-Admin.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.1bii New Staffing -RegParks.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.1c Engineering FTE Increase.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.3 Regional Grant-in-Aid Allocation.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.4 a - Budget Summary.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.4 b - Tax Requisitions and Rates.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.4 ciii-ProgramBudget-Planning.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.4 cii-ProgramBudget-SWM.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.4 ci-ProgramBudget - Engineering.pdf

.pdf icon Item 5.4.4 c-iv-ProgramBudget-Fire Protection.pdf

North Westside Road Fire / Rescue Budget 2011
North Westside Road Fire / Rescue 2011 Budget
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North Westside Road Fire / Rescue (5 YR) Budget Projection 2011 - 2015

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$167,000 reimbursed for Terrace Mountain Fire with $130,000 going into reserves after expenses.  Joe Rich 23% of callouts are outside the service area.  57% of calls in Ellison are medical calls, 21 false fire alarms at Okanagan Lake Resort so they are putting in heat detectors in the kitchen areas so the kitchen areas will not detect smoke anymore but will detect heat.

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Mayor Sharon Shepherd asks if the North Westside Road Fireboat can go to a referendum because they are having a review of Regional Rescue.  Harold Reay the Chief Administrative Officer said no the Fire Boat cannot be considered for Rescue, and that the Fire Boat will only be considered a water supply and will only be used for fighting fires due to training requirements of the Federal Transportation Ministry.

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The Fire Chiefs Technical Committee told the Regional District that the fireboat is a Community Decision.  The Regional Board want a report from the Fire Services Coordinator Rod Miller about the Fire Boat.

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Agenda 5.3 Delegations

b) Regional Rescue Increases - Tom Doherty, City of Kelowna Fire Department

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Dispatch Centre had 19,124 callouts, 4.6% increase in callouts in 2010, 4 teams of marine rescue on Water Street downtown Kelowna who are required to train minimum 2 days a year, province pays up to 30% in recovery costs to Regional Rescue, upgrade from analog to digital radio system, new website to inform people in a disaster, rescue attended to a protest in the City of Kelowna, $4,000 to amateur radio operators who help with communications if Regional Rescue Center cannot communicate (amateur radio operators don't need power and they can reach a long way for instance Victoria). Regional Rescue is busiest on Fridays and in the mornings between 7am and 8am in the morning, new state of the art communications building in Kelowna, required to answer 99% of the calls within 40 seconds, use to be 95% of calls were required to be answered in 60 secs. but has been reduced to 90% of the calls, usually have 2 people in the call center, replacement of hazmat truck, board asked for a report who does what in fire depts., zodiac.

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.pdf icon March 10, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Minutes

Minutes are usually not available until after the following meeting when they are adopted.  If the minutes are not posted here yet, you can check the Regional Districts website.

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This is posted on the Fire Dept's webpage

Frequently Asked Questions

Mobile Marine Water Supply

Q - Will the Mobile Marine Water Supply or boat cause my taxes to increase?

A - No. The MMWS / boat is paid for. It was funded in 2008 with a 30% reduction in the fire department tax in that year.

Q - Will my property insurance be affected by the MMWS?

A - If you live any where in the Fire District that currently does not have a rated water supply you will receive a significant premium discount (same as Killiney Beach & Westshores pay now) on the rate you pay once the MMWS goes into service and the Superior Water Shuttle Challenge is proven.

Q - How many homes are affected by lack of water supply?

A - In excess of 500 homes within our Fire District currently have no fire rated water system. Only La Casa, Killiney Beach & Westshores have fire flows sufficient to provide the large discount, the MMWS will bring everyone to the same level.

http://www.nwfr.ca/fire_prevention_education.htm

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Watch these video's of a fireboat in action on the Seclusion Bay fire.

Live video (Global BC News video July 13, 2010 "Wildfire Update").

In this video you can see that the fireboat is only able to fight a portion of the Kelowna Seclusion Bay 2010 fire that is immediately next to the shore and not much further.  As you can see, a helicopter had to bucket the home that was on fire beside the home that the fireboat was cooling off.  Live Video Global BC News - Wildfire Contained

Here is a photo of the same house on fire and no fireboat to be seen.

Here is a slideshow showing a fireboat working at Seclusion Bay
there are a few photos in this slideshow of the fireboat working... one shows the fireboat fighting a house fully engulfed in fire.
July 12, 2010
KELOWNA...The 30 hectare Seclusion Bay fire that broke out Monday morning is now considered contained, fire officials said Monday afternoon, and Highway 97 is now open for single lane traffic in both directions. Peachland Fire Chief Grant Topham said the fire, in the Drought Road area, was reported shortly after 10 a.m. and crews arrived at the fire amid heavy winds from the east. Within 15 minutes, Topham said, the fire was at the highway guardrail. “We were afraid that they (flames) might cross the highway,” he said. Later in the day, the wind began to blow from the northwest, pushing the fire from the West Kelowna-Peachland border toward the community of Peachland. “This fire was very much a wind-driven event,” said Topham. The fire led to the destruction of one home and two garages, one police car and one boat were lost.

BC Daily Buzz Fireboat rescued 80 year old hard of hearing elderly woman with another slide show showing photos of the fireboat fighting the Seclusion Bay fire.
Harrowing rescue during fire at Seclusion Bay - better slideshow of the fireboat
PEACHLAND - Two RCMP officers give their account of the harrowing rescue of an elderly woman during the Seclusion Bay fire on Monday, July 12.

Elderly woman rescued by RCMP during Peachland fire
RCMP boat rescued the elderly woman from her home.  RCMP said he had the RCMP boat up on end trying to get there.

Elderly woman speaks about her ordeal trying to escape the fire and thanking the RCMP.

Here is a still photo Kelly Hayes from Castanet.net took of the motel or whatever that is and no fireboat.  What took the fireboat so long to start on this fire?

Several portable pumps in the fireboat and on shore the fire chief says
Video shows fireboat keeping flames from spreading to a motel just off shoreline.

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.pdf icon February 10, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 6.1 Financial Plan Introduction.pdf

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Financial Plan - Marine Rescue, Emergency Program, Zodiac, Joe Rich New Fire Truck and 2 Cisterns, 2009 Terrace Mountain Fire Recovered Fund Surplus $12,853 transferred to reserves in 2010 after fire fighters were paid.

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Financial Plan - Ellison New Fire Truck, Joe Rich Fire Dept 20 year plan, North Westside new Fire Truck $475,000 and $220,000 Fire Boat & $30,000 Boat House and then in 2014 another new truck $350,000 and reserves must continue to be set aside, Zodiac $140,000, 1500 GPM pump, not one firefighter put his hand up against purchasing a fireboat for the North Westside Road area. Director Jim Edgson said he told the Fire Fighters that the Boat can't cost more than $220,000 or there will be no boat, and that he doesn't want the Fire Boat in the Budget another year. Tax requisition on a home in COW

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Financial Plan - Regional Rescue, Zodiac $200,000, Patrol Boat, Is Zodiac appropriate boat

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.pdf icon February 10, 2011 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Minutes

6.2 Delegations

6.2.1) Regional Rescue Increases - Tom Doherty, City of Kelowna Fire Department

1. Doherty presented the increases to the Regional Rescue program including:
• Increase in training and education.
• Increase in radio licensing fees (no control over increases).
• Fire dispatch increase tied to contractual obligations to the City of Kelowna.

Shift coverage to cover training is not included in the budget.
• Increase in response times - marine rescue (double over the year previous), high angle calls.
• Administration fee increase from the City of Kelowna.
• Transfer for reserves - vehicle replacement plan for the next ten years - marine boats, hazmat trucks.
• Carryover from last year for EOC equipment.
• JEPP grant expenditure.
• 2011 vehicle replacement for Peachland's rescue boat-it is nearing 20 years in age and continuous upgrade required.
• Regional fire chiefs were provided with an update on the budget and no concerns were brought forward.
• Peachland zodiac boat is being replaced out of reserve funds - actual tax requisition is for operation and setting aside future reserves.
• Placement of the three regional rescue boats and response areas was highlighted: Peachland-south, Kelowna-central, Lake Country-Duck & Wood Lake and could be brought into Okanagan Lake. If boats respond to regional emergency calls about 50% is recovered from the Provincial Emergency Plan.
• Preliminary research has been done on the cost of the boat replacement and allocated funds for storing the boat.

ACTION: Staff to provide a full report on the regional rescue service and emergency operations program at a future Governance and Services Committee meeting.

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Financial Plan - Marine Rescue, Emergency Program, Zodiac, Joe Rich New Fire Truck and 2 Cisterns, 2009 Terrace Mountain Fire Recovered Fund Surplus $12,853 transferred to reserves in 2010 after fire fighters were paid.

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Financial Plan - Ellison New Fire Truck, Joe Rich Fire Dept 20 year plan, North Westside new Fire Truck $475,000 and $220,000 Fire Boat & $30,000 Boat House and then in 2014 another new truck $350,000 and reserves must continue to be set aside, Zodiac $140,000, 1500 GPM pump, not one firefighter put his hand up against purchasing a fireboat for the North Westside Road area. Director Jim Edgson said he told the Fire Fighters that the Boat can't cost more than $220,000 or there will be no boat, and that he doesn't want the Fire Boat in the Budget another year. Tax requisition on a home in COW

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Financial Plan - Regional Rescue, Zodiac $200,000, Patrol Boat, Is Zodiac appropriate boat

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Fire boat placed on backburner
Vernon Morning Star - By Richard Rolke - September 23, 2010

A contentious fire boat won’t be acquired this year, but plans continue to ignite heated debate among North Westside Road residents.

The Central Okanagan Regional District board has decided not to purchase a mobile water supply boat but it will be considered among other fire department priorities during 2011-2015 budget talks.

“For me, it was a financial issue. The decision was made in light of the cost,” said Jim Edgson, North Westside director.

CORD had $150,000 set aside to purchase the vessel, but all responses to a request for proposals were over budget. It’s believed the boat could cost about $196,000, with $50,000 needed for a boat house.

Edgson says the next step is for the regional district to determine the long-term needs for the North Westside Fire Department and whether the fire boat is included.

“There’s no guarantee it will rise to the top,” he said.

Fire chief Wayne Carson isn’t surprised by CORD’s decision, but he insists the need for a mobile water supply boat is increasing.

“It’s absolutely the top priority for this community,” he said.

“A lot of areas don’t have water systems rated (they don’t meet insurance requirements for flows) and there are single accesses to properties and dead trees all over.”

Because of limited road access to some areas, Carson believes a house fire or wildfire poses a significant risk.

“We’re trying to elevate the level of protection,” he said.

Acquisition of the boat has been opposed by the North Westside Ratepayers Association.

“We would have been more pleased if the regional district motion said the fire boat won’t proceed but it says it won’t proceed in 2010. It’s not over yet,” said president Diane Baldwin.

“Instead of looking at a five-year plan, they need to look at whether there is a necessity for this fire boat.”

The association believes other methods could be used to fight fires in the community.

“To buy a piece of equipment for a what-if situation is extravagant,” said Baldwin, adding that taxes have been climbing for North Westside residents.

“A lot of people are on fixed budgets and for a lot of people, the situation is getting critical.”

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.pdf icon September 20, 2010 Highlights of the Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting

North Westside Mobile Water Supply

The Regional Board does not support the purchase this year of a proposed Mobile Water Supply boat and boathouse for the North Westside Fire Rescue Service. A total of $150,000 has been set aside in the capital budget to fund the purchase of the marine fire fighting and water supply vessel. However, each of qualified responses to a Request for Proposals on the vessel was over budget. Staff will review the project for possible consideration among the other fire department budget priorities during the 2011- 2015 Financial Plan deliberations.

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How can RDCO put money aside in the 2010 budget for a Fire Boat and Boat House when it doesn't even know how much the Fire Boat or Boathouse is going to cost?

.pdf icon September 20, 2010 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Agenda

.pdf icon Item 6.1 North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Water Supply (Fire Boat).pdf

Agenda No: 6.1
MtgDate: Sep. 20, 2010
Regional Board Report
FROM: Rod Miller - Manager Fire Services
DATE: Sept. 20, 2010

SUBJECT: North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Water Supply (Fire Boat)

RECOMMENDATION
THAT the purchase of North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Water Supply (Fire Boat) not proceed in 2010, as the tendered prices exceed the budgeted amounts;

AND FURTHER that the 2011-2015 Financial Plan be reviewed to determine if this capital expenditure can be budgeted for in consideration of all the capital expenditures that will be required for this service.

BACKGROUND
At the Regional Board meeting in June 2010, approval was given to release an RFP to gain pricing information for the North Westside Fire Rescue Department's Mobile Water Supply Boat.

The RFP was released on July 16, 2010 and closed one month later.

Criteria for the RFP were established by the Fire Department and staff and were based on the board report from February 2010. Staff received seven (7) proposals which ranged in price from approx. $136,000.00 to $350,000.00. After reviewing the proposals it was determined that the proposals that meet the specification for the established criteria ranged between $190,000.00 and $200,000.00.

The 2010 budget had $150,000 earmarked for the purchase of the boat ($120,000) and the construction of a boathouse ($30,000). It is now estimated that the budget will have to increase to $240,000 (boat $190,000 and boathouse $50,000). In addition to this, annual operational costs will increase the budget by $5,000 year. Initial training and certification costs are estimated at $8,700 ($5,100 training and certification and $3,600 for wages).

This is submitted for the Board's consideration.

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6. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES

Fire Services:
6.1 North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Water Supply Boat (fireboat) (All Directors - Unweighted Vote)

Staff report dated September 20th outlined the requests for proposals for a fireboat for the North Westside Fire Department. Seven proposals were received ranging in price from $136,000 to $350,000. Staff noted that a budget of $150,000 has been earmarked for the purchase of the boat ($120,000 for the boat and $30,000 for a boathouse). As the proposal exceeds the budget proposed, the recommendation is not to proceed with the purchase of a boat. In light of the projected costs, and future capital costs for the fire department, it is important for further review taking into account the future priorities for the department.

It was noted that staff will continue to review the possibility of a boat as a regional rescue function--this component will be discussed with regional rescue.

EDGSON/SHEPHERD
THAT the purchase of North Westside Fire Rescue Mobile Water Supply (fire boat) not proceed in 2010 as the tendered prices exceed the budgeted amounts;

AND FURTHER THAT the 2011-2015 Financial Plan be reviewed to determine if this capital expenditure can be budgeted for in consideration of all the capital expenditures that will be required for this service.

CARRIED (Findlater opposed)

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A FIREBOAT WOULD NOT BE MUCH GOOD AT FIGHTING A FIRE LIKE THE TERRACE MOUNTAIN FIRE


That is a huge plume of smoke coming from the Terrace Mountain wildfire in 2009.

 

Photo of Terrace Mountain on fire in August 2009
This was the night that the Terrace Mountain wildfire flared up in August 2009.

 

Photo shows Terrace Mountain flaring up and the fire had spread farther down from the main fire.
Photo shows Terrace Mountain flaring up and the fire had spread farther down from the main fire.

 

These two photos below show the High Farm in relation to the Terrace Mountain Fire


You can see the Fintry High Farm at the far edge of the field and the fire advancing.

 


You can see they have the sprinkler going onto the side of this home at the Fintry High Farm.
That window looks like it isn't closed ... yikes!

 

Terrace Mountain wildfire at the High Farm in August 2009
Station 101 North Westside Road Fire/Rescue Dept took this photo by the looks of it.

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Cause of Seclusion Bay fire determined
by Castanet Staff - Story: 55726 - Jul 14, 2010

The Fire Investigation Team on the Seclusion Bay Interface Fire has determined the cause of the forest fire that began July 12 to be a tree falling on a power line during windy conditions with gusts of up to 70 km/hr.

The team, consisting of RCMP, West Kelowna Fire Rescue and Peachland Fire Rescue, determined the cause after a thorough investigation of the fire zone.

BC Hydro is actively working within the fire zone today to ensure the safety of the area and restore infrastructure and electrical service as quickly as possible.

Power poles critical to electrical service in difficult terrain sustained significant damage during the fire and will need to be replaced.

Meantime, 67 people from 22 families at Seclusion Bay Resort remain on evacuation order for a third day Wednesday.

West Kelowna and Peachland emergency personnel are conducting hazard assessments in the fire zone, with the principal goal of ensuring the area is safe to allow residents to return as quickly as possible.

Of particular concern is the single-road access, currently occupied by a number of emergency personnel and equipment, and hazards posed by steep, rocky outcroppings, unstable slopes and dangerous trees that may have been compromised by fire activity.

Peachland, West Kelowna and BC Ministry of Forests fire fighters continue actively working to extinguish the fire which remains contained and estimated at approximately 30-hectares.

Fire officials report that all fire guards remain in place. Work Wednesday will concentrate on strengthening the north and south fire guards.

Warmer temperatures are expected Wednesday and may result in heating of ground fires and possible flare ups.

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Tree falling on power line ignited Seclusion Bay fire
Kelowna Capital News - July 14, 2010

Firefighters mop up forest fire hot spots in the steep terrain along the Seclusion Bay shoreline on Tuesday.
Sean Connor /Capital News Photo

The Fire Investigation Team on the Seclusion Bay Interface Fire has determined the cause of the forest fire that began July 12 to be a tree falling on a power line during windy conditions with gusts of up to 70 km/hr.

The Investigation Team, consisting of RCMP, West Kelowna Fire Rescue and Peachland Fire Rescue, determined the cause after a thorough investigation of the fire zone.

B.C. Hydro is actively working within the fire zone today to ensure the safety of the area and restore infrastructure and electrical service as quickly as possible.

Power poles critical to electrical service in difficult terrain sustained significant damage during the fire and will need to be replaced.

The Evacuation Order and Declarations of Emergency as a result of the Seclusion Bay Interface Fire remain in effect. Today, West Kelowna and Peachland emergency personnel are conducting hazard assessments in the fire zone, with the principle goal of ensuring the area is safe to allow residents to return as quickly as possible.

Of particular concern is the single-road access, currently occupied by a number of emergency personnel and equipment, and hazards posed by steep, rocky outcroppings, unstable slopes and dangerous trees that may have been compromised by fire activity.

Peachland, West Kelowna and B.C. Ministry of Forests fire fighters continue actively working to extinguish the fire which remains contained and estimated at approximately 30-hectares.

Fire officials report that all fire guards remain in place. Work today will concentrate on strengthening the north and south fire guards. Warmer temperatures are expected today and may result in heating of ground fires and possible flare ups.

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June 28, 2010 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regional Board Meeting Audio (.wma)

regarding the North Westside Road Fireboat Request For Proposal.

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.pdf icon June 28, 2010 Highlights of the Regional District of Central Okanagan Regional Board Minutes

North Westside Mobile Water Supply

The Regional Board has approved issuing a Request for Proposal (RFP) to determine the costs of a proposed Mobile Water Supply boat and boathouse for the North Westside Fire Rescue Service. A total of $150,000 has been set aside in the department capital budget to fund the purchase of the marine fire fighting and water supply vessel. Once costs have been determined through the RFP process, the Regional Board will review all information about the vessel and its potential uses and consider whether it will be purchased.

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Wouldn't you like to know the answer to the Click here for Windows Media Player file help. (.wma audio 417 KB) question City of Kelowna councilor Graeme James asked about not seeing a professional report or study that dictates a Fire Boat is needed, and then just when the Fire Services Co-ordinator Rod Miller started speaking and replying to Councilor James question, the audio tape of the Regional Board meeting mysteriously went silent.  So we don't know what the answer is to this question.  It sounded like Rod Miller was going to explain what dictates a Fire Boat is needed? Wonder why the tape went silent and the audio was cut off right then? Makes a person wonder if the tape went silent by mistake or on purpose? - RDCO can make jokes, so then can we. A person could wonder if the Corporate Services clerk had her finger on the mute button or maybe the tape was edited in that spot before being published to RDCO's website just because the least we know about this fireboat the better for the Fire Chief and his crony COW Director Jim Edgson?  Wonder how many people will contact RDCO to have RDCO answer this burning question? If anyone does find out the answer, please let us know what you found out.

North Westside Road BC Fireboat proposal

What happens when in rough water and the bow hits a huge wave filling the fireboat.  And how can you put a bow door where the winch is located?

June 28, 2010 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regional Board Meeting Agenda

Item 4.1 North Westside Rd Proposed Mobile Water Supply.pdf

 

Agenda No: 4.1
Mtg Date: June 28, 2010

Regional Board Report
REGIONAL DISTRICT of CENTRAL OKANAGAN
TO: Chair and Directors
FROM: Rod Miller, Fire Services Co-ordinator
          H. Reay, CAO
DATE: June 22, 2010

SUBJECT: North Westside Road Proposed Mobile Water Supply

Recommendation
That the Board approve a Request for Proposal, for the North Westside Road Fire and Rescue service, be developed and tendered to determine the actual costs of the proposed Mobile Water Supply boat and boathouse.

Origin
In 2008 North Westside Fire and Rescue proposed purchasing a boat that would provide a water source and fire fighting capabilities for their department, at a capital cost of $150,000. The Electoral Area Director directed that community support for this acquisition be obtained prior to actually purchasing the boat. Support for this purchase from the community has been mixed, as the Board is well aware. The two neighbourhood community associations in the area cannot agree, the North Westside Community Association supports the acquisition and the North Westside Ratepayers Association do not.

At the Board meeting on February 22, 2010 the Board adopted the following resolution:

THAT a Mutual Aid Agreement be established with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department to respond to the North Westside Fire Protection area for structure fire fighting and interface fire fighting support for a trial period of at least one yea!; to assist in training and boat trials to better determine the resource needs of the North Westside Fire Department and the community;

AND FURTHER THAT an audit be undertaken for the Regional Rescue Program as it pertains to Marine Fire and Rescue response to determine the appropriate resources and their location on Okanagan Lake;

AND FURTHER THAT staff be directed to develop specifications and cost of a marine water supply vessel (fire boat) for the North Westside Fire Department for Regional Board consideration.

An informal agreement with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department for response and training has been arranged. The issue with a formal agreement is that the City of Vernon is responsible for the Okanagan Landing Fire Department, however the boat belongs the Fire Department Society.

The audit for the Regional Rescue Program has not been completed and will not be undertaken until the City of Kelowna has a new Fire Chief in place.

The North Westside Fire Department has developed specifications for the fire boat and the boathouse that will be required. It is proposed that the boathouse will be located at the Killiney Beach Community Park on a rocky section of the beach that is not being utilized by park goers.

Attached is a report from the Fire Department outlining the specifications and chronology of events involving the usage of emergency water craft to date this year.

Financial Consideration
The capital budget for the North Westside Fire Department has $150,000 allocated for this project and a Request for Proposal will provide the Board with certainty as to whether or not this is sufficient funding.

This is submitted for the Board's consideration.

NORTH WESTSIDE FIRE RESCUE - STATION 101
PROPOSED MOBILE MARINE WATER SUPPLY

Compiled by:
CAPTAIN JOHN GREENWOOD
CHIEF WAYNE CARSON

MAY 2010
PROPOSED MOBILE WATER SOURCE SPECIFICATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS

Hull Design
• Aluminium landing craft. See attached drawings.
• Aluminium is the preferred material because of its durability lightness and strength, enabling the boat to be brought close in to shore or onto shore without damage.
• A landing craft design is one in which the bow can be opened to allow firefighters to go ashore with hoses or other equipment.
• The bow beneath the opening section still displaces the water to enable the boat to move effectively through the water.

Propulsion
• Four stroke gasoline outboard engine(s) sufficient to propel the vessel at least 60 kph. Twin 150 horsepower outboards have been recommended by the manufacturer.
• At 60 kph, the distant end of the fire protection district can be reached in less than 10 minutes from the boat storage.

Length and Beam
• An enclosed wheelhouse with enough room for three firefighters
• House a 34" x 66"pump
• Enough clear deck to transport a patient on a stretcher in the case of a marine rescue.
• An overall length of 22 ft and 8ft 6in beam meets these requirements.

Fire Pump
• A 1250 gpm pump is required to meet the requirements for length and lift that will make this a water supply system able to deliver water to most structures within 1000 feet of the shore. Note: both that the Okanagan Landing and Kelowna fireboats have <400 gpm pumps on board. The proposed boat will have a greater pumping capacity than these vessels.
• Coordinated practice with the OK Landing boat revealed that a 400 gph pump is sufficient to fight a structural fire on the shore only in the capacity of assistance to a pumper truck with tender or a hydrant. Modern Pumper trucks are equipped with
at least 1050 gpm pumps but only carry 500 gallons of water. Most importantly this capacity pump on the boat will be able maintain water supply to sprinklers, pumpers and tenders in a wildfire emergency.

Discharges
• One four inch discharge line and a pair of two and one half inch discharge lines to be located in the forward deck area. One 1000 gpm monitor to be located in the bow. Only enough hose to attack a shore front fire will be stored onboard. When water is to be pumped distances, the required hose will be rolled down from other apparatus. An infrastructure of dry hydrants with permanently placed feeder hose are planned for future installation. These dry hydrants will enable the onboard pump to supply water at distance quickly and efficiently.

Lighting and Electronics
• One LED type Code III package with spot light & P.A. system.
• Rechargeable hand spotlights.
II GPS mapping, depth sounder and fire/rescue marine radio system fixed within the wheelhouse.

Storage
• Floater suits and PFDs, other than those worn by the members on board, will be stored in the boat house.
• 4 PFDs for rescued victims.
• Nozzles and a small number of tools will be stored under the benches in the wheelhouse.
• Hose will be stored in holders on deck.

BoatHouse
• It is proposed that this boat be stored in a boathouse built on the shoreline at Killiney Beach.
• The vessel will be transferred to the water on a carriage rolling on tracks; the boat on the carriage will slide down the tracks from its' storage shed into the water. See attached drawing.
• The drop-off to deep water is approximately twelve feet from shore at the proposed location. A boathouse with an attached slip will have much less of a footprint than a dock and lift system on the shoreline.
• The boat can still be launched in the event of a power loss.
• An electric winch will pull the carriage and boat back into the shed.
• The boat shed will be constructed on pilings to elevate it slightly and provide the drop needed to slide the carriage and boat into the water.
• The boat and equipment will be secured within the locked boat house. Costs
• The NWFR has contacted a number of manufacturers to obtain a reasonably precise estimate of costs. Manufacturers are reluctant to create an estimate without the assurance that the significant amount of work involved has the possibility of ending in success.
• Rough estimates have been verbally presented that indicate the boat can be built within the $150,000.00 budget. Needless to say the only way to know if the project can be completed within budget is to proceed to requests for proposal.

CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS INVOLVING EMERGENCY WATER CRAFT
This purchase has been before the board on previous occasions, the last of which produced a motion in favour of a one year trial period in which NWF/R is to enter a mutual aid agreement with Okanagan Landing Fire Department to "better determine the resource needs of NWF/R and the community."

Since the passage of this motion in February of this year, the necessity of this vessel has been demonstrated. North Westside Fire/Rescue and Okanagan Landing Fire Department have held two joint exercises utilizing NWF/R engines and the OLFD fire
boat.

The first exercise was a water supply at the Killiney Beach boat launch. The second training exercise, held on Sunday April 11th was organized by the North Westside Fire/Rescue. An old house in Estamont was being demolished for rebuilding. The house was donated to the fire department for training purposes. The water system in Estamont is small and the Okanagan Landing Volunteer Fire Department's fire boat and crew were invited to act as the emergency water supply for the exercise.

The morning of the exercise was spent preparing for the fire. Sprinklers were used on everything to be protected in the vicinity of the structure that was about to burn. The engines and hoses were positioned and connected to the boat.

After lunch, live burn practice was initiated and at approximately 2 pm the structure was allowed to burn. All efforts were focused to contain the fire to the site while burning the building to the ground.

Approximately ten minutes into the burn the fire department was notified the local residential water system had a pump failure and the reservoir was nearly empty. The fire department disconnected from the local water system and continued using the boat alone to hold the fire and run the sprinklers for over an hour. It was immediately apparent the pump on the OK Landing boat was not large enough to supply water to both engines.

With these practices showing overwhelming success, to continue these trials only ensures that the North Westside area will be without a vessel until at least the fall of 2011.

Marine Rescue
This quarter has seen NWF/R dispatched to a marine rescue with two people in the cold lake two hundred feet off the shore. NWF/R was dispatched to assist Marine Rescue 2 coming from Kelowna. Both of the people in the water were rescued by a local resident in his canoe. Marine 2 was still twenty plus minutes away and subsequently cancelled.

On another incident, a critically injured resident was transported by the Vernon Search & Rescue boat. This boat was in the lake on a training exercise by Tronson Road in Vernon. The timely availability of this boat saved 30 minutes on the transport of the patient and their subsequent arrival at the hospital.

Once the Regional District completes the audit of the Regional Marine Rescue program, they can determine whether or not a Rescue boat is needed in this area. If the RD decides to add Marine Rescue to the mandate for the NWF/R, the boat operators would take the training through the Regional District and the boat could easily be fitted for Rescue.

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June 28, 2010 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Minutes

4. UNFINISHED BUSINESS

4.1 North Westside Road Proposed Mobile Water Supply (Fireboat) (All Directors - Unweighted Vote)

Staff report dated June 22, 2010 outlined the background information and specifications for a fireboat. It was noted that staff were directed to develop the specifications for a fireboat and in the meantime develop an agreement with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department for response and training. Staff noted that this has occurred. Staff confirmed that $150,000 has been allocated to the project and a request for proposal will confirm whether there are sufficient funds to move forward with the proposal.

The question was raised whether the intention is to look at all costs: the boat, housing, maintenance, training, etc. Staff confirmed that all costs will be developed and brought forward. Concern was expressed that the community remains divided on whether a boat is required. Staff highlighted that a boat would provide many benefits to the neighbourhood. The audit of the regional rescue program will include the consideration of a mutual aid agreement for those purposes as well.

EDGSON/OPHUS
THAT the Regional Board approve a Request for Proposal for the North Westside Fire and Rescue service be developed and tendered to determine the actual costs of the proposed Mobile Water Supply (fireboat) and boathouse.

CARRIED

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Westside puts fire boat to use
Vernon Morning Star - By Roger Knox - April 17, 2010

A cabin burns in the North Westside subdivision of Estamont during what was a training exercise for the region’s volunteer fire department. north westside fire photo

Pushing for a fire boat, North Westside Fire Department chief Wayne Carson believes he made his point crystal clear last Sunday.

With help from the Okanagan Landing Fire Department’s fire boat, Carson and 22 of his 30-member department were able to extinguish a planned residential training fire in the subdivision of Estamont Sunday by using the fire boat as the main source of water.

“Our plan was to use the Okanagan Landing boat as our primary water supply to prove what we’re doing here, and that the boat is a good water supply,” said Carson Monday. “It’s versatile in the sense that it can go anywhere along the shore.”

The structure was lit just after lunch and, for about two hours, the department ran live fire training scenarios. At the end of the day, the cabin was burned to the ground.

The house was donated to the fire department by the property owner for training purposes.

Helping Carson’s crusade for the fire boat was the fact Estamont’s water system went down five minutes after lighting the residence on fire.

“We were told there was less than three feet of water in the reservoir at that time and the main pump was fried,” said Carson.

“The water supply for the two engines and all the sprinklers were off the boat’s pump. Without this water supply, we would have had 500 gallons per engine, and a turnaround time for the tenders of more than 30-to-40 minutes as they would have to go to Killiney Beach, tap a hydrant there and haul the water back.”

Carson said the access road to the home was so bad, the tenders would not have made it more than halfway down, and be able to supply only one of the two engines.

Also of concern to the chief was plenty of dry bush, grass and trees surrounding it.

“I was so pleased with how the burn went,” he said. “The bushes were right up next to the house on a very, very sharp slope behind it and the bushes weren’t even singed.”

Wasn't that because the bushes behind the house were cut down first?

The Central Okanagan Regional District board has requested more information before deciding whether a fire boat should be purchased for the North Westside department. CORD directors have requested an estimate on the price of a boat and whether it could be used regionally for rescue services.

CORD has $150,000 set aside for the boat. Carson believes it’s a no-brainer.

“We fully believe the boat is the way to go,” he said. The North Westside Communities Association has thrown its support behind the fire department.

Opposition has come from the North Westside Ratepayers Association, who said in February there is no justification for a boat. Carson said at the time the main purpose behind the boat is to run a sprinkler system in a wildfire and, that without a water system, he feared for his community in event of a wildfire.

The area last year was affected by the large Terrace Mountain wildfire which threatened homes and cabins throughout the North Westside area, and resulted in people being evacuated.

Here are some pictures after the fire practice at Estamont Beach early in 2010 to see how Okanagan Landings Fire Boat performed.

Here is a photo of the start of the driveway down to the house they used for fire practice at Estamont Beach earlier in 2010 to test out Okanagan Landings fireboat.
Driveway at Estamont Beach down to the house that the North Westside Road Fire Dept used for fire practice.

 

You can see that the switchback here is wide enough for a large fire truck, so why would a fireboat be needed? 
In this instance the fire dept could fight the fire from above.  There is no risk of fire fighters being caught between the lake and the burning building here.
What a nice driveway, one that a big fire truck could travel on no problem.

 

Here is a photo of the driveway where the burnt up house use to stand.
This photo shows the driveway isn't all that narrow that a fire truck could not pass down it.

 

Here is a photo of the burnt house. 
Looks like they cleared some trees off the bank behind the house before they burnt the house down.
Photo of the ashes of the burnt house and the bank.

 

You can see the cut tree stumps better in this photo.
Trees were cut back before fire practice.

 

In this photo below you can see some of the firewood that was cut.
Firwood that was cut before fire practice at Estamont Beach

 

Here you can see more of the property where the house once stood.
Photo shows that some of the trees on the bank were removed before fire practice.

See that pole to the right in the photo immediately above.
Here is a closer look at that pole.
Flag pole was burnt during fire practice.

 

See that large tree stump in the background in the photo above the pole picture. 
Here is a closer view of this same tree stump.
Photo of a stump that got a little burnt from this fire practice.

Rumor is that the pump on Okanagan Landings fireboat failed as well as the pump for Estamont Beach's water system.

 

In the Regional District of Central Okanagan Fire Technical Committee Meeting Minutes it states the following:
A boat is not meant to fight land based structure fires, only docks and boats. A floater pump was suggested.
A boat is not meant to fight land based structure fires, only docks and boats. A floater pump was suggested.
Click minutes above for larger print or click here for the Fire Technical Committee meeting minutes from 2007 - 2008 on page 24.

A fireboat does not make up for an inadequate water source no matter how you look at it.  How would the fireboat fight a fire like the Terrace Mountain Fire that a floating pump couldn't do?  How could a fire boat fight a fire at Valley of the Sun that a floater pump and an extra tanker truck couldn't take care of?  How would this boat help with a forest fire like the Terrace Mountain fire?

And in case you missed it in the June 28 Regional District Regional Board meeting agenda above, a local canoeist rescued two people from Okanagan Lake and the rescue boat was called off, so why would we need a rescue boat?  There are many boats sitting on the lake along the shore.  In case of an emergency rescue on the lake, the fire dept could always ask if someone would lend them their boat when the odd rescue is needed.  Just think of all the money that would save.. at least $150,000 just for the boat and the boat house divided by 827 Sugar Loaf transfer station users in 2009 + the approx. 500 properties at La Casa (total 1,327 properties) = $113.00 each property just for the boat and boat house.  How about the person who lends out their boat receive some compensation from the people who were rescued?  Then on top of that there would still be the cost of the gas for the boat for fire practices and emergencies, plus accessories that the boat and the boat house would need, plus the training for the many fire dept members, plus the insurance for the boat and boat house, plus the maintenance required for the boat and boat house, and then probably the cost to build a dock and maintain that too.  Docks are not cheap.  A new dock was just built at Killiney Beach that cost $55,000.

Wouldn't you like to see a presentation from the fire Chief of how the fire trucks couldn't get down to this fire practice at Estamont Beach??

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Boating week is April 12-18, 2010

If you don't have a PCOC card with you while operating a boat, you can be fined $250.

It takes about 30 - 45 minutes to complete the Transport Canada accredited exam.

For details on how to acquire your "Pleasure Craft Operators Card" or PCOC to operate a boat,

visit

http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/

http://www.boaterexam.com/

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Windy weather tests training crew
Vernon Morning Star - By Roger Knox - June 01, 2010

Representatives of various agencies conduct a training exercise on Kal Lake Saturday, using a scenario of a forest fire that cut off road access to a bunch of cabins, leaving evacuating by water the only option.
photo submitted

Mother Nature co-operated with a joint agency on-water evacuation exercise on Kal Lake.

The weather was temperamental with wind, rain and rough water thrown into the mix, so it was perfect for the exercise scenario of a forest fire that had cut off road access to a cabin colony on Kal Lake, and the only way to evacuate residents safely is by water.

“Operating in windy conditions was the perfect preparation for a real-life water evacuation event, as wind and forest fires go hand-in-hand,” said Chris Marrie, boating safety office for Transport Canada Marine, one of the agencies taking part in the second exercise in three weeks on area lakes.

The other was held May 15 on Okanagan Lake and included the same type of scenario, evacuating residents in the wake of an interface fire.

Eight emergency vessels were launched for Saturday’s Kal Lake exercise, with Lake Country and Okanagan Landing fire departments, Vernon Search and Rescue, conservation officer service, RCMP, Transport Canada, Ministry of Forests, B.C. Parks, District of Coldstream and City of Vernon emergency management agencies being represented to ensure a successful and safe exercise.

“There were a few different challenges in this exercise, compared to the first one, but everything went well,” said Vernon RCMP spokesman Gord Molendyk. “We didn’t have as many boats as we did on Okanagan Lake where the yacht club came in handy to transfer people onto bigger boats. On Saturday, people were taken to beach areas, and forestry also made door-to-door contact with cabin people.”

The second exercise was also the culmination of Safe Boating Awareness Week in the Okanagan, where Marrie said the various levels of government agencies and volunteers coming together was a perfect example of “safety is a shared responsibility.”

“Emergency response organizations play an important role in ensuring safety, however the public undoubtedly plays the biggest part,” said Marrie. “Safe boating awareness week is about planning for a safe and enjoyable season on the water.”

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Won't we need an ICE BREAKER for a fire boat?

Winter 1983 was the last time that the Lake completely froze over. (A Royal Canadian Mounted Police helicopter successfully rescued an SUV that had tried to drive across the Lake and cracked through the ice).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelowna#History

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This presentation about the purchase of a Fire Boat for North Westside Fire Rescue was submitted by Dave Robertson who is a retired Fire Dept member from the North Westside Road Fire Dept.

 

Do you think we can save the beach houses with a 2”monitor that gives 195 gpm with a 100’ range? How many fire fighters
can it carry? Most of the beach houses are at least 200’ from the lake. How do you fight a
structure fire with it?
Fire Boat shooting water for fire fighting purposes

 

Does this photo below look “top heavy” to you?

It is only 9’6”” wide with the centre of gravity about 5’ above the water. Doesn’t that mean it will capsize in a five foot swell?

How do you think it would work as a rescue boat with a 32” railing all around and the deck 2 feet above the water?

Fire Boat with pontoons
Common sense tells me that on THIS wild, windswept lake, a boat
should have its deck below the waterline and its centre of gravity below the waterline.

In this case, the deck is 2 feet above the waterline, and with men and equipment on top, the centre of gravity
will be about 5 feet above the lake.

Since the pontoons are only 9’6’’ apart, it will capsize in any swell higher than 4’. (a common
occurrence out here)

Looking at the top photo, it is obvious that this boat could never be used as a rescue boat.

You would have to drag a person from the water 2 feet up to the deck,

then over the 2 foot railing onto a pitching boat!

 

Top Heavy (4 pages)

The Logic (2 pages)

Technical (10 pages)

 

July 9, 2009, RDCO Board says there is no way taxpayers could afford what is being recommended for a volunteer fire department in a rural area, and that Board policy has been affordability of service drives the fire level of service in the rural areas.
July 9, 2009 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Meeting Minutes
click document above to read RDCO's entire Governance & Services Committee Meeting Minutes for July 9, 2009

This is the end of Dave Robertson's Presentation

Here is a photo of Okanagan Landings Fire Boat

Photo of Okanagan Landings Fire Boat

This would most likely be the fireboat that the North Westside Road area would have a mutual-aid agreement with.

New Boat
Vernon Morning Star - Business - April 3, 2010

Byron Bolton (left), president of Vernon’s Harbercraft Boats, hands the keys to a Harbercraft 2425 HT search and rescue boat to Ian King, Al Todd, Scott Pittendreigh and Dale Jorgensen, from the Penticton Emergency Program. 

Vernon Morning Star Photo

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North Westside Fire Rescue - Fire Boat 2008

Ratepayers: It is our belief that the one hundred and fifty thousand dollars ($150,000.00) as budgeted for would be better used in expanding our fire department through the purchase of more conventional firefighting equipment.

Letter from North Westside Ratepayers president regarding purchase of a fire boat for the North Westside Fire Protection area.
Click on letter written April 14, 2008 and submitted by Allastair Fergusson (President of the North Westside Ratepayers Association) for a larger copy that you can read.

RDCO Manager of Fire Services Rod Miller says in his letter that they were not withhold ANY information from the community in regards to the Fire Boat.

Dusty Akers posted a comment on the Fire Boat Comments page of Feb 2, 2010, and from there we emailed him to ask him when the fire boat was spec'd.  He told us about a year ago and that Fire Chief Wayne Carson should post the information to the North Westside Road Fire Rescue website.

We mailed Dusty's email to Rod Miller asking why Rod Miller was not exactly telling us the truth in his letter.

February 22, 2010 Highlights of the Regional District of Central Okanagan Regional Board Meeting

Proposed North Westside Fire Boat

The Regional Board supports a recommendation to establish a Mutual Aid Agreement with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department to respond as needed with its fire rescue boat for structural or interface fire fighting in the North Westside Fire Protection District area. The agreement would provide a trial period of at least one year so that members of the North Westside fire department can receive marine training and gather information to determine whether a fire/marine rescue boat is an appropriate resource for the community. During this time, equipment specifications will be determined and cost estimates developed for a marine fire boat. As well, the marine component of the Regional Rescue program will be reviewed to determine the appropriate location of any marine-based resources.

.pdf icon February 22, 2010 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Agenda

.pdf icon Item 4.1 North Westside Fire Rescue Fire Boat Update.pdf

Agenda No: 4.1
Mtg Date: February 22, 2010
Regional Board Report
TO: Regional Board
FROM:  Rod Miller - Manager Fire Services
DATE:  February 22, 2010
SUBJECT: North Westside Road Fire Rescue Fire Boat

RECOMMENDATION
THAT a Mutual Aid agreement be established with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department to respond to the NWS Fire Protection area for Structural Fire Fighting and Interface Fire Fighting support for a trial period of at least I year, to assist in training and boat trials to better determine the resource needs of the NWS Fire Department and the community.

AND FURTHER to audit the Regional Rescue program as it pel1ains to Marine Fire & Rescue response to determine the appropriate resources and their location on Okanagan Lake.

BACKGROUND
At the November 12, 2009 G&S Committee Meeting staff were directed to provide a report on the mobile water supply vessel for the North Westside Fire Rescue Department. This report includes the following information.

1. Can a Mutual or Automatic Aid agreement be established with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department?
2. Training Costs
3. Technical Boat Specifications
4. Capital costs for the fire boat
5. Annual operating & maintenance costs
6. Boat house costs
7. Location for the boat house
8. Mutual Aid to the Regional District
9. Discussion

1. Mutual Aid Agreement with Okanagan Landing F.D.
In discussion with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department there is a willingness to provide Aid to the RDCO and to the North Westside Community. They have a Fire Boat that is capable of providing water in the event of a structure and/or interface fire along the North West shore.

Their boat is capable of pumping 500 GPM and could provide added resources in areas where water supply is an issue; to the many homes which border the lake. This response is conditional however. If the department's assets are being deployed in their own district they may not be able to respond.. Also there would be a time delay as the boat would have to travel from their community across the lake, approx. 11 km. This time delay would be increased due to weather conditions, etc. In optimum conditions it would take 15 - 20 minutes to reach the center of the NW Fire Protection Area; also response time for the volunteers to respond to the boat could be 10 minutes making the total response time at approximately 25 - 30 minutes.

Along with providing aid to the community it is recommended that joint training sessions take place to:
• Familiarize the fire fighters with the equipment and procedures.
• To establish joint operating guidelines and understand the needs of the area.
• To provide evaluation information based on the need for the boat and if this method of response will serve the community.

One other aspect of the agreement is the fact that this boat is not an asset of the City of Vernon but of the Okanagan Landing Fire Department Society. It is the sole responsibility of the Society to operate, manage, insure and maintain the boat. They do purchase liability insurance for the boat and this would be a condition of the agreement.

Entering in a Mutual Aid agreement with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department Society would allow time to assess the need in the community, to measure the ability of the Fire Department to utilize the boat and integrate it into their fire attack for structure fires and sprinkler protection efforts in an interface fire situation.

2. Training Costs
Several quotes were received for training. The information enclosed matches the Kelowna Fire department boat training requirements for the Regional Rescue boat operators.

The amounts below could be reduced by training fewer members, but the nature of a paid-on call department is such that there is no assurance that one of the people trained will be immediately available.

Marine Personnel Regulations:
If the vessel is <5GT and carries not more than 12 passengers, the following is required, as a minimum; according to Capt. Jimmy Watt of West Coast Powerboat Handling (Director/ Chief Instructor). The company is a Transport Canada approved course provider.

There is also ongoing training that would need to occur to keep the skill level of the operators and land based firefighters current. This would have to be scheduled at a logical frequency and could be managed in the current training and education budget.

Equipment
There would be additional equipment needed, as mentioned in the Capital portion of the report; 4" hose, PFDs, extreme weather suits. The equipment budget would be impacted as these items would need replacement overtime for normal wear & tear.

6. Boat House Location
The location illustrated is Killiney Beach in the Regional Park. There is already a boat launch, dock and a pump house that are Regional assets in the park and available power if needed for the boat house or equipment.

This location was selected for its ease of access, close proximity to Fire Station # I0 I and facilities already in place.

7. Boat Moorage Costs
As there are no specific guidelines, other than the boat needs to be protected from the environment, it was decided that a simple dock of adequate length with an electric boat lift would be adequate. It would also need to be secure from vandalism. Also some of the construction could be done by the local Fire Department members saving labour costs.

Dock (64') in length  9,000.00  
5 ton boat lift 19,000.00  
Electrical for lift (est.)  3,000.00  
Permit, Licence, etc. 1,000.00  

Total

32,000.00 (+ tax)  

8. Mutual Aid to the Regional District

The boat will be available whenever it is needed in the Regional District. It would provide resources to any fire along the lake whether it is a structure fire or an interface incident.

9. Discussion
Staff has considered input from the NWS Fire Department, Central Okanagan Regional Fire Departments, NWS residents, Marine Professionals, other Fire Departments that currently use Fire Boats to provide resources as are being considered and from Boat building companies throughout North America. Staff have found many conflicting points of view, ideas and as to what should be considered as best practises
for a project of this nature.

In trying to evaluate what is the best approach for the community and the RDCO as a whole; consideration has been given to the community wants and needs, also to how the service could be part of the Regional Rescue program.

Community
Due to insufficient water supply in parts of the area, the extreme fire hazard rating and the approximately 190 + lake front homes it was thought that a marine mobile water supply (fire boat) should be purchased.

That it should have the capability to aid in fire attack along the shore, supply water to Engines and Tankers or directly to firefighters attacking a structure or interface fire. It should also have the ability to pump water to areas that could be easily accessed by a Tender to relay water to the fire scene. It should also provide a means of escape for people or firefighters trapped along the shore due to the advance of a wildfire situation.

Once the boat is purchased it would be utilized in an overall plan to achieve Superior Tender Shuttle rating, from Insurance Underwriters, for the community. This would give the community the equivalent of a rated water supply for fire protection. This could possibly result in lower insurance premiums for those homes which are not currently credited with a water supply for firefighting purposes.

Staff did meet with insurance providers and the potential savings on a home with a fire department and a rated water system could be up to 30% over one which had only a fire department. This could mean potential savings up to 2 - 4,000.00 per year depending on its value and other options selected.

It is not clear to staff that this resource is required at this time by Northwest Fire. There have been only 1 or 2 structure fires per year over the last 5 years. It is not apparent that a boat of this type would have resulted in any different outcomes for the fire department, and may have complicated the efforts due to manning issues and the infrequency of these types of calls.

At any incident start there is always a level of confusion until assignments are made and everyone is clear on the overall goals of the incident commander. Experience in a city fire department for many years and managing fire calls, is that it takes many hours of training, repeated responses and strong leadership to keep the scene controlled and everyone working to the same objectives.

This is a concern for several reasons, unpredictable firefighter response to the scene, firefighters who may not be as familiar with the equipment (boat), predetermined roles for apparatus response. To make an offensive attack on a structure you need a minimum of 13 firefighters on scene filling the various assignments. Adding a boat in the mix would require the need for at least 2 more on the boat, plus firefighters to advance supply lines etc., this may be more resources then are available also adding to the overall confusion.

Regional
To this point there has been no discussion of the boat as a rescue boat. To serve the Regional District as part of the Regional Rescue program a boat at the Northern end of the lake would be an added benefit. A boat of similar design to the current boat (in Kelowna) with a larger pump as specified in the NWS plan could benefit the entire north end of the lake. It would not need to be situated in the NWS area but would still provide the same benefit if it was housed close to the area. There have been occasions when the boat in Kelowna was unavailable to respond or the response time was to slow, because of the distance, for it to be utilized.

Staff would like to review the entire Marine portion of the Regional Rescue Program to determine if an additional boat would be the best solution and if the same view was shared by the Regional District and the Regional Fire Departments.

Rod Miller
Dan Plamondon

To read the rest of this .pdf document   click here on the Regional Districts website.

.pdf icon  February 22, 2010 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Minutes

4. UNFINISHED BUSINESS

4.1 North Westside Fire Rescue Fire Boat Update (All Directors Unweighted Vote)

At the November 12,2009 Governance and Services Committee meeting staff were directed to provide a review on the mobile water supply vessel for the North Westside Fire Rescue Department. A review of a possible mutual aid agreement with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department, training, operating and maintenance and capital costs, location for a boat and technical
specifications were identified as information to be reported back to the Board.

Staff reviewed the following issues:
The Okanagan Landing Fire Department has a fire boat and is capable of providing response in the event of an incident and is willing to provide aid to the Regional District on a short term basis. Entering into a mutual aid agreement with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department Society would allow an opportunity to determine how often a boat is required, staff could be trained in the use of a boat response and further time would be provided in order to review further options including review of regional rescue.
• It is difficult to determine the capital cost of a boat at this time because it is not known what specifications are required. Staff looked at various boat options but was not able to find a comparable boat. It is known that boats of this nature are around $120-$150,000.
• The location of the boathouse was reviewed as well as the locations of regional rescue boats in the Central Okanagan. It was noted that the location of the regional rescue boat in Kelowna would be too far to respond to an emergency in a timely basis. Although the Okanagan Landing boat is closer, the response time would still be an issue.
• The Fire Department believes there is a need for a boat for their community. Staff are unsure of how to tie the boat into the regional rescue program at this time. Further review is required.
• In the meantime, training will be done with the Okanagan Landing boat.

This will allow time to develop the specifications for a boat and equipment requirements. Staff to identify what the cost is for training and usage of the Okanagan Landing boat. Normally mutual aid kicks in when there is a call out and the costs are charged to the area.

• The Mutual Aid Agreement will come back to the Board for final approval.

EDGSON/HODGE
THAT a Mutual Aid Agreement be established with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department to respond to the North Westside Fire Protection area for structure fire fighting and interface fire fighting support for a trial period of at least one year, to assist in training and boat trials to better determine the resource needs of the North Westside Fire Department and the community;

AND FURTHER THAT an audit be undertaken for the Regional Rescue Program as it pertains to Marine Fire & Rescue response to determine the appropriate resources and their location on Okanagan Lake;

AND FURTHER THAT staff be directed to develop the specifications and cost of a mobile water supply vessel (fire boat) for the North Westside Fire Department for Regional Board consideration.

CARRIED

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Feb 26, 2010 article about the North Westside Road Fire Boat debate heating up.
click newspaper article to read larger print

Fire boat debate heating up
By Richard Rolke - Vernon Morning Star - February 25, 2010

Debate over a fire boat for the North Westside Road area continues to smoulder.

On Monday, the Central Okanagan Regional District board decided that it needs more information before making a decision on whether the marine mobile water supply, or fire boat, will be acquired.

“We’re going to get all of the information we need and assess the needs of the community so we can move forward,” said Jim Edgson, North Westside director.

“We haven’t said no and we haven’t said yes.”

The directors want an estimate on the price of a boat and whether it could be used regionally for rescue services. A temporary agreement will also be sought with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department to see how its boat operates.

CORD has $150,000 set aside for a boat.

The board’s actions Monday came after the governance and services committee deferred a decision on purchasing a boat in November so staff could investigate capital costs, technical specifications, operating costs and the ability to service other communities.

Officials with the North Westside Ratepayers Association are frustrated with Monday’s decision.

“We would have liked it over with,” said Allastair Fergusson, a ratepayers director. “There is enough proof that we don’t need this boat.”

The ratepayers association believes operating the boat will be too expensive and other methods could address the need to fight fires.

“There’s no justification for a boat,” said Fergusson.

The North Westside Fire Department and the North Westside Communities Association support the boat saying it is necessary for areas without water or difficult to reach by truck.

“The main purpose behind the boat is to run a sprinkler system in a wildfire,” said fire chief Wayne Carson.

“Without a water system, I fear for my community in a wildfire.”

Carson is also questioning the regional board delaying a decision.

“After two years, I don’t know what more information there is to get. It’s a pretty straight forward proposal,” he said.

“The boat has become a political item and not an operational item for the fire department.”

November 12, 2009 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Agenda

Item 6.2 Outline Of 2010 Budget Initiatives

 

Westside Parks: Proposed Killiney Beach Community Park Recreation Pier $55k.

These are photos of previous infrastructure at Killiney Beach Park which this dock has since been extended, and now there is a new proposal for a pier.

Is it not strange that at this same Governance and Services Committee Meeting held on November 12, 2009 that Item 4.1 Marine Mobile Water Supply.pdf was also discussed?

 

Killiney Beach Boat Launch  Killiney Beach Pier

 

JAN 3, 2010 Now this is just rumour so far, but someone just told us that they were down at Killiney Beach the other day and there is a quote, "huge new dock there now".

.pdf icon November 12, 2009 Governance and Services Committee Agenda

Westside Parks: Proposed Killiney Beach Community Park Recreation Pier $55k.

Item 6.2 Outline of 2010 Budget Initiatives.pdf (page 2)

.pdf icon November 12, 2009 Governance and Services Committee Agenda

.pdf icon Item 6.1 Quarterly Program Measures Report.pdf (page 5)

143 - Westside Community Parks (Page 103): Terrace Mountain Fire affected the operational contract for Fintry and Killiney area parks. Additionally, the construction schedule for the new Westshore Community Park capital development has been delayed.  Killiney Beach dock extension for new boat launch pier is complete. Construction and installation of a kiosk at Fintry Provincial Park is finished. Travelling display completed by Friends of Fintry. Community Tourism Grant reporting in progress. Westshore Estates Community Park irrigation and landscaping completed; playground equipment is ordered.

.pdf icon November 12, 2009 Governance and Services Committee Agenda

.pdf icon Item 4.1 Marine Mobile Water Supply.pdf

Governance & Services Committee Report

TO: Governance & Services Committee
FROM: Rod Miller, Fire Service Coordinator
DATE: November 12,2009
SUBJECT: Marine Mobile Water Supply for North Westside Fire Protection Area

RECOMMENDATION:
THAT consideration of the purchase of a Marine Mobile Water Supply for the North Westside Fire Protection Area be deferred to determine if a Mutual Aid Agreement can be established with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department and the City of Vernon for the use of their Fire Boat.

BACKGROUND:
Purchase of a Fire Boat was first proposed at a Fire Technical Advisory meeting dated July 26, 2007 and a request was made to the Fire Chief to give a presentation on the need to purchase a fire boat.

The Fire Boat presentation was made at the October 4, 2007 meeting [it wasn't a Board or Governance and Services Meeting we looked and could not find]  and the discussion included actual response figures and the fact that this level of fire service was already provided by Regional Rescue. It was also determined that a possible agreement with Okanagan Landing Fire department could be reached as they have a Fire Boat that met most of the criteria that Northwest Fire department was seeking. He was directed to pursue this agreement and to investigate whether this was the best use of community's resources. There is no further reference to the Fire Boat in any Technical meeting from that date.

The boat has been part of a community and Fire Department initiative for several years. It first appeared as a budgeted item in the 2008 budget and was awaiting the results of a FUS (Fire Underwriters Survey).  [looked for FUS on RDCO's website but don't see it]

This report was received by the Board in 2009 and contains information pertinent to the effect the Vessel could have on fire response to hillside properties with limited access by Fire Apparatus.

As the North Westside area has many homes that have difficult access by road for Fire Apparatus and also limited water supplies, the boat would be able to provide quick access from the lake for water and provide sufficient fire flows for fire suppression. It could also be used to provide water to sprinkler protection units in the event of an interface fire.

The addition of the boat would also add to the overall rating of the water system as it would provide a means of a back up water supply in the event of power outages, system or pump failures. The boat must be available on the water 12 months of the year to be considered for Insurance rating purposes.

Fire Department staff also believe that this equipment could also provide a secondary water supply.

Although there has been no petition or formal public meeting to gauge public support, it is believed that the community remains divided regarding the purchase of this boat.

There is an established capital amount in their budget of $120,000 for the purchase of the boat and $30,000 for the boat house and will be carried over to the 2010 budget. The operating budget would need to be increased to reflect the added training and certification for boat operation and safety, additional equipment and required maintenance. This has not been determined as yet.

Appropriate maintenance training would be implemented to meet all NFPA, WSBC, Coast Guard and pertinent regulations.

Summary:
The deferment will allow time to assess the suitability of a Mutual Aid Agreement with Okanagan Landing Fire Department, to explore locations for the boat house and moorage site, to determine annual operating, maintenance and training costs and to further evaluate the Marine Water Supply vessel for the community.

Rod Miller, Fire Service Coordinator

Dan Plamondon, Manager Development & Environmental Services

.pdf icon November 12, 2009 Governance & Services Committee Meeting Minutes (Pg. 4-6)

3.4 Lyn Jeglum, resident North Westside re: Community support for proposed North Westside fireboat

Lyn Jeglum, spokesperson for non-political citizens committee, presented reasons why the Regional Board should consider the purchase of a fire boat for the North Westside community including: lots of pine beetle trees throughout the area, three major interface fires threatening the community, mostly single-family homes, very little access in and out of many homes, need for fire protection in area includes a continuous water supply, continued review of fire equipment and training.

Staff noted that funds have been set aside in the 2009 budget for the purchase of a boat but to date the decision to purchase has not been made. The Regional Board at its March 2009 budget deliberations set aside funds in reserve awaiting further stakeholder input from the community.

How many members of your group do you represent? Ms. Jegulum stated that she represents approximately 200 people in the community. She stated she does not speak on behalf of any area Residents Association. She was asked to present a list of the people she represents.

#GS103/0 EDGSON/OPHUS
THAT the presentation from Lyn Jeglum regarding the North Westside fire boat be received.

CARRIED

4 Development & Environmental Services Engineering

4.1 Marine Mobile Water Supply (fire boat) for the North Westside Fire Protection Area

Staff report dated November 12th outlined the background for the purchase of a fire boat for the North Westside community noting the boat has been part of a community and fire department initiative for several years. It was first budgeted in 2008 and funds remain in reserves awaiting a final decision by the Board. The Regional District continues to receive letters of support and opposition from the community--it is believed the community remains divided regarding the need to purchase such a boat.

Staff noted that there are homes in the area that have no access to a fire truck due to location of the home and small, winding driveways. The water supply would be used more for slowing process of the fire, not necessarily for saving
structures. The North Westside is a volunteer fire department. The area for the fire protection district is roughly from LaCasa to Westshore Estates. It has not been determined where a boat would be located, and costs need to be established for maintenance, training, storage, fuel, etc. There may be options for a land based water supply which can also be considered.

The question was raised whether there is a requirement for a formal community vote. Staff noted there is no requirement and that it would be expensive to hold a formal referendum. The questions that need to be answered is: will this be a value for the community fire fighting methods and whether there are alternative methods?

Staff are suggesting, at this time, to defer the purchase of the boat to allow time to assess the suitability of a mutual aid agreement with Okanagan Landing Fire Department for the use of their boat, to determine annual operating, maintenance and training costs and to further evaluate the vessel for the community.

Questions which need to be answered include: what is the safest, most cost effective way to provide fire protection to this area--marine versus land supply. Staff have reviewed hiring a professional consultant to do an analysis including the capability, upside/downside of the purchase.

In discussion it was noted and questioned that the real issue is whether this is the best option to provide firefighting ability to the area, including:

  • Is the purchase cost effective?
  • Dry hydrants-option may be down the road. Will a boat feed into dry hydrants?
  • How many homes will this assist versus the number of homes in the area?
  • How each of the options would affect insurance rates.
  • What is the direct impact on residents, including financial?
  • What is the ability for the boat to service other parts of the region (through mutual aid).
  • Will the boat save homes in the area or only help prevent the fire from spreading?
  • Are there case studies for other boats currently being used? Is their use successful in saving homes/fighting fires?
  • If a further study is required, the cost would be born by the fire protection area.
  • What are the technical specifications required?

#GS104/0 EDGSON/OPHUS
THAT consideration for the purchase of a marine mobile water supply (fire boat) for the North Westside Fire Protection Area be deferred to determine if a Mutual Aid Agreement can be established with the Okanagan Landing Fire Department and the City of Vernon for the use of their fire boat;

AND THAT staff be directed to determine the full capital costs of the fire boat including technical boat specifications, and annual operating, maintenance, training and boat house costs including a storage location;

AND FURTHER THAT staff determine the ability for the boat to service other parts of the region (as a mutual aid agreement).
Amendment to the main motion*-+

#GS105/0 FIELDING/BAKER

THAT staff provide a full business case for the delivery of fire protection to the North Westside.

Amendment DEFEATED (in favor James, Fielding, Baker)

The Committee then voted on the main motion which CARRIED

Staff will attempt to bring forward a further report by the December Board meeting.

.pdf icon November 12, 2009 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Agenda

.pdf icon Item 6.1 Quarterly Program Measures Report.pdf  **This is only a snippett, click link for entire content**

TO: RDCO Directors and Department Heads
FROM: Donna Adams, Accounting Analyst
Marilyn Rilkoff, Manager of Finance and Administration
DATE: November 2,2009
SUBJECT: Quarterly Program Measures Report, Year to Date September 30, 2009

019 - Electoral Area Fire Prevention (Page 12): The CGI report on Fire Protection studies in each Regional Area is complete and currently under review for any changes that are economically feasible.  The volunteer departments' agreements for automatic aid are under review. New agreements need to be developed and existing agreements require updating. Language is being developed to relieve KFD of their response time concerns and standardized equitable response fees are under assessment for all departments paid or paid-on call. Fire Regulation Bylaws are being amended and developed for inspection and enforcement purposes. Enabling cost recovery from repeat offenders is under evaluation. An information letter has been drafted that will be the first step in the ticketing process. Communications plan is near completion. Upgrades to the dispatch equipment are funded by the Regional Rescue function.

030 - Regional Rescue Service (Page 128): The Emergency Plan was utilized and the EOC operated in July and August for the West Kelowna and Terrace Mountain Park Fires. Rescue costs for the third quarter are approximately $16k with recovery from PEP approximately $6.5k. Due to the delay in documentation from North Westside VFD and West Kelowna, actual figures are unavailable. During the third quarter, there were 16 marine rescues and 20 MVA's for possible extrication. Peachland conducted 3 of the marine rescues and Kelowna FD conducted 13. West Kelowna responded to 10 MVA's, Peachland 3, Joe Rich 4, Lake Country 2, and North Westside 1. The regional fire dispatch and communication system upgrades and improvements are near completion. Dispatch staff has been increased to 8 to allow for 2 dispatchers 100% of the days and 60% of the nights.

142 - Regional Parks (Page 99):  Development of a Regional Park Community Wildfire Prevention Plan (CWPP) and an Operational Wildfire Protection Plan (OWPP) have been awarded to BA Blackwell & Associates.

REGIONAL FIRE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
July 26,2007

7. Fire Boat for the NWF/R - Budget Request
Hilary advised that the NWCA Fire Advisory Committee has requested that a Fire Boat for NWF/R be approved for fire fighting purposes from the shore.

Discussion ensued:
'" Concern expressed re: training requirements and who would be available to
respond. Liability and maintenance were also concerns.

'" KFD boat response time to NWR is approx. 30 mins. Lake Country is putting in a
large marina across the lake; however a boat is not meant to fight land based
structure fires, only docks and boats.

'" Floater pump was suggested.
Fire Chief of North Westside Road Fire Rescue be requested to give a presentation on the need to purchase a fire boat.

Source: Fire Technical Committee Minutes page 24

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REGIONAL FIRE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
October 4, 2007

WINDSOR/BLANLEIL

THAT the minutes of the July 26,2007 meeting be adopted as circulated.

CARRIED

2. NWFR Fire Chief - Fire Boat (Fire Chief Carson)
North Westside Fire Chief Wayne Carson gave some background and an explanation of the unique geography throughout North Westside. Current rescues are being done by boaters who are inexperienced and often impaired. A recent incident was explained where Chief Carson requested a Rescue boat from Kelowna Dispatch. 10 minutes later he called to cancel the request, as a passing boat had taken care of the rescue; he was told that a boat had not been dispatched. He would like to build a fire boat that will help to take stress off existing water systems, while adding protection to Fintry Park. In steep terrain, firefighters often fight fires from above, with smoke and flames pushing up towards the crew. If spotting above occurred, there is potential for trapped firefighters. A fireboat would allow them to access water from below, and remove some of these hazardous conditions. Proposed fireboat would be around $120,000 plus $30,000 for the shelter. This expenditure is supported by the NWCA Fire Advisory Committee.  Funding would come from the Fire Department's budget.

Discussion ensued re new equipment purchases needing to be based on actual response figures, not on one or two dispatch incidents. The service is already being provided through Regional Rescue. In addition, a possible agreement for fire boat services with Okanagan Landing could be a more economical option, with the actual number of callouts for both rescues and spotting fires from the water.

Action
Fire Chief Carson to do more research on a service agreement with Okanagan Landing, and investigate whether this is the best use of his community's resources.

Request for Proposal for North Westside's 1500 gallon, single axle water tender is approximately $220,000. This will replace the other tender. Delivery is for around June 2008.

WILDE/WINDSOR
Moved motion for new truck.
3. Standard Operating Guidelines Evaluation (Asst. Chief Wilde)

CARRIED

Source: Fire Technical Committee Minutes page 19

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end of 2006 up to 2008 Minutes of the Fire Technical Advisory Committee (very large .pdf file)

Minutes of the Fire Technical Advisory Committee - just July 26, 2007 (smaller .pdf file)

Minutes of the Fire Technical Advisory Committee - just Oct 4, 2007 (smaller .pdf file)

 

Snippet from Oct 4, 2007 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
Fire Technical Committee minutes of the meeting October 4, 2007
This is just a snippet, please click on document to read the whole thing.

 

Snippet from July 26, 2007 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
Fire Protection Boundaries & Automatic & Mutual Aid Agreements - Responses outside of area
This is just a snippet, please click on document to read the whole thing.
North Okanagan Indian Band and North Westside Road Fire Dept. need a formal agreement re. responding on band land.

It was queried whether the Marine Rescue Program is valid.

KFD has 3 rescue boats

 

Snippet from July 26, 2007 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
Budget request for fire boat.  A floater pump was suggested.
This is just a snippet, please click on document to read the whole thing.
The NWCA Fire Advisory Committee? has requested that a Fire Boat for North Westside Road Fire Rescue be approved for fire fighting purposes from the shore.

a boat is not meant to fight land based structure fires, only docks and boats.

A floater pump was suggested.

Fire Chief of North Westside Road Fire / Rescue be requested to give a presentation on the need to purchase a fire boat.

 

Snippet from Nov 9, 2006 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
Marine Rescue out of area was discussed
This is just a snippet, please click on document to read the whole thing.
Marine Rescue out of area was discussed

Remember this from 2006 - Special Update - Firemen Respond to Fire in Ewings Landing

The fire department responded to a small but intense fire at the south end of Ewings Landing.  This fire did not appear to be naturally caused, but no one claimed responsibility for lighting it.  Had this fire occurred in July or August there would have been structures threatened and trees burning.  We would have been lucky to have contained it at this size, as it was the fire carried about 30' up a large fir tree adjacent to the main fire.  Please be aware of smoke in the community and make the call early to 911.  This fire was reported by a resident out in his boat.  The Fire Department would rather respond to false alarms (the fire department does not send a bill for false alarm calls) rather than lose time on a fire with potential to grow because people were not sure if the fire is legal or not.  The snuffer truck with it's compressed air foam system that was purchased last year proved its worth, as this was a very restricted access with no readily available water source, exactly the type of situation we got it for.

Source NWCR June 21, 2006

November 12, 2009 Regional District of Central Okanagan Governance and Services Committee Agenda

Item 6.2 Outline of 2010 Budget Initiatives.pdf

Engineering

  • Ellison VFD: Proposing to move purchase of tender from 2011/2012 to 2010 $350k. Pagers &Radios $10k. Potentially adding a bay to firehall. Costs not available. Enough in reserves to pay for truck and equipment.

  • Joe Rich VFD: Proposing to sell leased Engine 52 and purchase Tender for $300k. Various financing scenarios still need to be run for other equipment options. Requests: Radios & pagers $10k, SCBA Refill Station $35k, Cisterns $80k total over 5 years, with $20k in 2010. Command Unit $35k 2014. Reserves and tax rate would need to be increased in 2010 to afford these items. 5 year plan needs to be re-calculated.

  • North Westside VFR: Carryover Fireboat $120k, Boathouse $30k, Security Upgrade $20k, Stn. 101 Renovations $100k. Engine in 2011 $400k. SCBA Replacements $25k per year. Pagers & Radios $10k. No financing required. In accordance with previous 5 year plan. Command Vehicle purchase was mentioned, no cost details available yet.

  • Wilson's Landing VFD: Temder Replacement $150 - $250k funded by reserves. No financing required. Radios & Pagers $1 Ok. Mini Pumper replacement 2013 $80k.

  • Regional Rescue: Operating Increases: Training $35k, Fire Dispatch $70k (wage increases), Equipment $20k (carryover of unspent dollars from 2009). Capital equipment $40k.

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Lessons Learned from the 3 wildfires near Kelowna including the Terrace Mountain Wildfire:
  • Unified Command – Crucial

  • Regional Emergency Program – support from the Region in the EOC - City of Kelowna

  • Fire Hazards on Private lands - who should be responsible?

  • Implementation of Community Wildfire Protection Plans and the cost

  • Ministry of Forests should use Wildfire suppression crews for Fuel Management work in Municipalities to be more pro-active.

http://www.civicnet.bc.ca/assets/Library/Convention/Convention2009/......Workshops/Schnitzler.pdf

 

This letter from the North Westside Road Ratepayers
"JUST SAY NO" in regards to the
purchase of a fireboat
was found on the
local bulletin board and in the mailboxes
sometime around November 12, 2009

Say "NO" to the purchase of a fireboat (aka Mobile Marine Water Supply) by North Westside Fire Rescue (NWFR)

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We don't understand this below taken from the North Westside Road Fire/Rescue website  ... if we qualify for the max insurance discount now, then why do we need a fireboat to reduce insurance rates??

Fire Underwriters Survey - All five of the water systems within the North Westside Fire Protection District were Flow Tested and Rated in 2008 by CGI an independent company that rates water systems for the big international insurance underwriters. This allows the local insurance companies to determine water supply and fire departments ratings for the purposes of deciding what premium discount you are entitled to on your home insurance. We are still waiting upon the final report that will be publicly disclosed in a community forum when it is finished. In this fire district you will be rated either 3a or 3b depending upon if your area is serviced by a "rated" (minimum 220 Igal. Per minute for 2 hours) water system or not. On the other side of the equation everyone within the fire protection district meets the standard required to get the maximum fire department discount portion on your home insurance premium.

http://www.nwcr.ca/nwfr/index.htm (link no longer works)

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As part of the grading system two grades are assigned to each Canadian community with organized public fire protection.

Public Fire Protection Classification (PFPC)
– the ability to combat a major fire in the community

Dwelling Protection Grade (DPG)
–the ability to combat a Single Family Residential fire

http://www.tsag.net/Present0711/D3/Fire Underwriters Survey - Mike Currie.pdf

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Fire Underwriters Survey (FUS) is a national organization administered by SCM Risk Management Services Inc. formerly CGI Insurance Business Services, formerly the Insurers’ Advisory Organization and Canadian Underwriters Association. FUS provides data on public fire protection for fire insurance statistical work and underwriting purposes of subscribing insurance companies. Subscribers of Fire Underwriters Survey represent approximately 85 percent of the private sector property and casualty insurers in Canada.
http://www.fireunderwriters.ca/

When a community improves its PFPC or DPG, insurance rates may be reduced, and underwriting capacities may increase. Every insurance company has its own formula for calculating their underwriting capacities and insurance rates, however the PFPC and DPG classifications are extremely useful to insurers in determining the level of insurable risk present within a community.
http://www.fireunderwriters.ca/gradingandrecognition_e.asp


What is the PFPC
The Public Fire Protection Classification is expressed on a 1 to 10 scale. Commercial Lines property underwriters and risk managers will more easily recognize these classifications as "town grades". Class 1 represents the "ideal" or highest level of public fire protection while Class 10 reflects the absence of any effective public fire protection. Many insurers will subsequently group these "town grades" into Protected, Semi Protected and Unprotected categories, to be used when calculating underwriting capacity.
http://www.fireunderwriters.ca/pfpc_e.asp

What is the DPG system
One of the fire insurance classifications we establish and convey to FUS member companies is the Dwelling Protection Grade. The D.P.G. is a numerical system scaled from 1 to 5. One (1) is the highest grading possible and 5 indicates little or no recognized public fire protection. This grading reflects the ability of a community to handle fires in small buildings (e.g. single family dwellings).
http://www.fireunderwriters.ca/dpg_e.asp

• Minimum criteria for Dwelling Protection Grade 3A

• Minimum criteria for Dwelling Protection Grade 3B

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Minimum criteria for Dwelling Protection Grade 3A

Public Water Supply
Water supply system designed in accordance with Fire Underwriters Survey standard "Water Supply for Public Fire Protection" must meet all minimum standards specified in the document. In general terms, to meet all minimum standards, the water supply system should be designed to be capable of providing required fire flows simultaneously with Maximum Daily Consumption at a minimum residual pressure of 138 kPa (20 psi), and have not less than 110,000 Litres (24,000 I.gal) in available storage.

Fire Department

Apparatus
For each fire hall with a Dwelling Protection Grade 3A, fire apparatus must include a minimum of one triple combination pumper rated at not less than 3000 LPM (625 Igpm at 150 psi) and designed in accordance with:

  • Underwriters’ Laboratories of Canada (ULC) S515 Automobile Fire Fighting
    Apparatus, or
  • National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) 1901 Standard for Automotive
    Fire Apparatus

Credit for fire apparatus will be based on evidence of reliability indicators including the listing of apparatus by ULC, design specifications, fire pump service test records, age, maintenance history, etc. Apparatus is evaluated from the perspective of the capacity to provide structural fire protection.

To be credited, apparatus must be stored in a suitably constructed and arranged fire hall.

Fire Force
For each fire hall with a Dwelling Protection Grade 3A, the credited available responding fire force will include at a minimum:

  • 1 Fire Chief (required to respond but not required to be on-duty)
  • 15 auxiliary fire fighters scheduled to respond

Emergency Communications
An adequate and reliable means of receiving alarms of fire and dispatching fire fighters is necessary (ex. public fire number, pagers etc.).

Fire Protection Service Area
The boundary of the protected area must be clearly established and registered with the Provincial Government.

http://www.fireunderwriters.ca/dpg_e.asp

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Minimum criteria for Dwelling Protection Grade 3B

Alternative Water Supply
A Public municipal-type water supply is not required for DPG 3B, however fire department must have adequate equipment, training and access to approved alternative water supplies to deliver standard shuttle service in accordance with NFPA 1142, Standard on Water Supplies for Suburban and Rural Fire Fighting. A formal plan for use of alternative water supplies must be in place and available for review detailing the alternative water supply points and characteristics. To be credited, fire department access to alternative water supplies must be 24 hours per day and 365 days per year. Refill capacity from alternative water supplies using drafting techniques requires a pump that has a minimum capacity of 450 LPM (100 Igpm) at 275-415 kPa (40-60 psi).

Fire Department Apparatus
For each fire hall with a Dwelling Protection Grade 3B, fire apparatus must include:

  • a minimum of one triple combination pumper rated at not less than
    3000 LPM (625 Igpm at 150 psi), AND
  • a minimum of one mobile water supply apparatus with:
     ◦ a minimum rated water carrying capacity of 4000 L (880 I.gal), AND
     ◦ a permanently mounted fire pump with a minimum rated capacity of
       1000 LPM at 1000 kPa (210 Igpm at 150 psi) net pump pressure.

*(apparatus above could mean a floater pump too couldn't it?)* signed oklake

For full credit apparatus must be designed in accordance with:

  • Underwriters’ Laboratories of Canada (ULC) S515 Automobile Fire Fighting
    Apparatus, or
  • National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) 1901 Standard for Automotive
    Fire Apparatus

In addition, the combined water carrying capacity of the 2 units (noted above) must be at least 6800 Litres (1500 I.gal) total and the fire department must have a transfer system capable of supplying the pumper with water as needed. This may be accomplished by pump or dump valve to a portable tank of at least 4550 Litres (1000 I.gal) capacity.

Credit for fire apparatus will be based on evidence of reliability indicators including the listing of apparatus by ULC, design specifications, fire pump service test records, age, maintenance history, etc. Apparatus is evaluated from the perspective of the capacity to provide structural fire protection.

To be credited, apparatus must be stored in a suitably constructed and arranged fire hall.

Fire Force
For each fire hall with a Dwelling Protection Grade 3B, the credited available responding fire force will include at a minimum:

  • 1 Fire Chief (required to respond but not required to be on-duty)
  • 15 auxiliary fire fighters scheduled to respond in addition to the number of
     personnel required to conduct mobile water supply shuttle operations

Emergency Communications
An adequate and reliable means of receiving alarms of fire and dispatching fire fighters is necessary (ex. public fire number, pagers etc.).

Fire Protection Service Area
The boundary of the protected area must be clearly established and registered with the Provincial Government.

http://www.fireunderwriters.ca/dpg_e.asp

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Superior Tanker Shuttle Service Accreditation

Fire Underwriters Survey will consider a tanker shuttle operation, meeting the criteria listed below, as equivalent to the minimum fire insurance grading requirements for emergency water supplies. Provided a fire service can meet the criterion as evidenced by field testing, Fire Underwriters Survey will grant the applicant fire protection area an accreditation for “Superior Tanker Shuttle Service”. The results of the accreditation test will be accordingly documented in the Registry of Superior Tanker Shuttle Accredited Agencies and in the Fire Insurance Grading Index.

Fire insurance industry subscribers of the Fire Insurance Grading Index have typically accepted Superior Tanker Shuttle Accreditation as meeting the minimum fire insurance grading requirements for emergency water supplies. Superior Tanker Shuttle Accreditation is intended to be utilized in rural areas that lack adequate resources to develop municipal-type pressurized water supply systems.

For full details please download the Fire Underwriters Survey Superior Tanker Shuttle Service Handbook.

Summary of Basic Requirements:

1. The maximum recognized response distance from the responding fire station for accredited Superior Tanker Shuttle Service is:

    ◦ 5 km road travel for properties insured under Commercial Lines, or
    ◦ 8 km road travel for properties insured under Personal Lines.

2. Within 2 minutes of arrival of the first major piece of apparatus (wheel stop), the fire department must be producing a minimum of 1200 L/min (265 Igpm), and must maintain this minimum for a test duration of 90 minutes.

3. If the fire department wishes to receive accreditation for a flow capacity greater than 1200 L/min (265 Igpm), then the desired flow rate must be achieved within 10 minutes of arrival of the first major piece of apparatus (wheel stop), AND the fire department must maintain the desired flow rate for the test duration which will be appropriate for the desired flow rate in equivalent terms of required fire flows as determined from the Fire Underwriters Survey Water Supply for Public Fire Protection.

4. Automatic Aid assistance is acceptable provided the tanker shuttle system is comprehensively detailed in standard operating guidelines/procedures for all participating departments.

5. The water supply for fire fighting (including the test) must come from a source that is available year round (24 hours per day, 365 days per year). In addition, the alternative water supply source(s) must be conveyed through fire hydrant(s) or adequately designed dry hydrant connection(s). The alternative water supply source(s) must be capable of supplying a minimum of 110,000 Litres (24,000 I.gal).

6. During the test, sufficient apparatus and fire fighters must be available to cover the area in the event of a second emergency call.

7. The selected test site(s) must be located remote from fire halls and water supply refill points. The selected site(s) should be representative of areas where travel distances are among the most challenging that are likely to occur in the entire district (90th percentile). The test site(s) must be agreeable to both the fire department and the Auditor.

8. Water from the Pumper at the test site must be supplied to a deluge gun with appropriate smooth bore stacked tips to allow for measurement with a pitot gauge.

9. Prior to the test, the Auditor will evaluate application forms, associated exhibits, fire apparatus, test equipment, test site, water refill site, automatic aid agreements and test procedures in order to ensure their validity for use within the test.

http://www.fireunderwriters.ca/dpg_e.asp

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Boat purchase fuels North Westside debate
Vernon Morning Star article - November 4, 2009 - page A13

Vernon Morning Star article - Boat purchase fuels North Westside debate. - November 4, 2009 page A13

Some residents of the North Westside Road area take offence at Ian Kilpatrick's statement in the Vernon Morning Star quote, ""Ian Kilpatrick, North Westside Communities Association President, says there is support for the expenditure as demonstrated by a 2007 meeting."

Who is the "community" that Ian Kilpatrick, President of the NWCA is referring to,
the NWCA board members?

Remember this letter that was posted to the bulletin board a while back.

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.pdf icon March 27, 2009 Regional District of Central Okanagan Special Board Meeting Minutes (pg 4)

1.4 Public Comment on 2009 - 2013 Financial Plan

i) Petition - North Westside Ratepayers Association (Diane Baldwin)

A petition from the North Westside Ratepayers Association opposing the purchase of a fire boat was circulated to the Board. Diane Baldwin addressed the Board stating their opposition to the purchase of the proposed fire boat.

Several reasons for their opposition were stated: not the region's responsibility to provide cheaper insurance to some property owners, believe purchase will exceed planned budget, specific training will be required, Fire Technical Committee in previous meetings did not support the purchase of a boat, liability and maintenance is of concern, fire boats are not meant to fight land based fires.

Staff reviewed the status of the boat acquisition: money is budgeted in reserves;

CGI study has just been received and will be brought forward to the Board for consideration, Last year, the Board put a caveat on the budget that no decision would be made on the purchase of the boat until the CGI study is completed. It was further noted that although the funds are in the 2009 budget, no purchase would occur without the Board's final approval, community support and technical fire advisory committee recommendations. The director has committed to seek community input on the purchase.

EDGSON/GIVEN
THAT the Regional Board receive the March 21, 2009 petition from the North Westside Ratepayers Association regarding the purchase of a fireboat (mobile marine water supply unit);

AND FURTHER THAT the Regional Board supports including in the 2009 budget the funds to support an equipment purchase but defers any decision with regard to the purchase of a fireboat until all technical information is received, inclUding feedback from the Fire Technical Advisory Committee and public consultation.

CARRIED

ii) Dave Robertson re: North Westside Fire Department
Dave Robertson expressed concern regarding the North Westside Fire Department noting they should be given the resources needed to provide the protection needed in the community. He is a volunteer fire fighter with the department. He has provided alternate equipment information to Rod Miller the Regional District's fire coordinator. He further noted that there is no mention of Engine 102 replacement within the budget when he understood replacement was
needed. Suggested replacing Engine 102 with a proper designed bush truck instead of a fire boat. Proper public input should be completed and a strategic plan needs to be done for the department for the long-term.

iii) Other Presentations
Joe Acres - North Westside homeowner - background is a fire-fighter and is a volunteer firefighter with the North Westside Fire Department. Does not believe there are many homeowners opposed to the purchase of the fire boat nor do the petitioners have the correct information. Concern was expressed regarding the water pumps in the Killiney Beach area. Fire hydrant boat would be better than a fire rescue boat.

The Chair reminded the gallery that the Board is not debating whether to purchase the fire boat, the decision today is based on budget only and whether to keep the funds in the reserves..

Mary Mandarino - Westside Residents Association (spokesperson for the group)
Noted she was chosen by the five charter members as their spokesperson. Concerned about the duplication of services between the District of West Kelowna and the Regional District in particular the issue of parks. Concerned about the costs for increased transit services to the Westside. Does not believe it is the correct economic time to purchase lands for parks acquisition. Concern was noted about fiscal restraint during this difficult time.

Director Findlater noted that the District of West Ke/owna is looking at service reviews between the municipality and the Regional District. Chair Hobson noted that a strategic review of the Regional District will be ongoing throughout 2009.

Bob Johncock - North Westside Communities Association - believes the petition for the fire boat does not represent the true community concerns. Believes the funds should be taken out of reserves and put into the budget. Let the experts
make the decision about the fire boat.

Sharon Scnurr - Valley of the Sun - have no water system to fight fires and it will take three years for the water system to be put in place. Existing water systems should be upgraded so fire departments don't run out of water.

Ms. Landers - expressed concern about the economic downturn and the tax base and increased taxes.

Joe Acres - provided further advice on what type of fire boat equipment should be purchased.

Deborah Iglehart - member of the North West Fire Department - noted support for the purchase of the fire boat. It will help save homes and lives. The boat will provide the water that is required and will be a tool to support the fire department.

Ritz Pumpen - Submersible Turbine and double suction centrifugal pumps to 18,000 GPM heads to 3,000 TDH.

Armstrong - Fire Protection Pumps

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March 27, 2009 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regional Board Agenda

Letter dated March 21, 2009 from North Westside Ratepayers in regards to a North Westside Road Fire / Rescue Dept. fire boat.

.pdf icon Item 1.4 i) Petition North Westside Ratepayers Association.pdf
"We, the undersigned, declare we are residents of the North Westside Road Fire District (Westshore to La Casa). Further, we the undersigned, vigorously oppose and will not support the acquisition of a Fireboat for this area. We prefer the One Hundred and Fifty Thousand dollar ($150,000.00) cost of a Fireboat be spent on more conventional Firefighting equipment."

"We, the signatories above, declare we are 18 years of age or older, and we are Canadian citizens. We have lived in British Columbia for at least six months before signing this form. We have live in the North Westside Road Fire Protection area (Westshore to La Casa) for at least 30 days before signing this form."

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The North Westside Ratepayers Association presented a two hundred and sixty name petition opposing the acquisition of a fireboat for the North Westside Fire and Rescue Dept.

The North Westside Ratepayers Association presented a two hundred and sixty name peition opposing the acquisition of a fireboat for the North Westside Fire and Rescue Dept.

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How will a fire boat work, when the lake is frozen?

Why is a floater pump or other type pump better than a fire boat?

Well hardly ever is a rescue boat needed on Okanagan Lake as there are many boaters available most times.  Plus there is the Okanagan Landing and Westside Rescue Boats that are available.

Time is of the essence.  An already in place floater pump or other type pump with a pipe up from the lake or from a pond will make the response time quicker than a fire boat that needs to be manned and placed in the water before it can even leave for the scene.  An already in place pump needs less preparation time and can be locked up with metal bars like a jail if worried about vandalism.  Anyone living close could be given a key so they can maybe push the pump into the water (if the pump can be stored on rollers and on shore in a locked house) and turn the pump on if they are shown how to use the pump.  It would be better to have a stationary pump in place and ready.

Valley of the Sun and Upper Fintry have no water utility whatsoever and other utilities may not be able to supply enough water for even a house fire as has been the case in the past.  The 3 subdivisions with no water system including no hydrants whatsoever need fire protection now, as the proposed water utility for these subdivisions will not be in place for almost 3 years yet.  Even then will the water utility be able to supply enough water for adequate fire protection having reservoirs that only hold so much water?

If there is a house fire the Fire Dept can't just put lake water into the potable water lines because they would contaminate the system and the system would need to be disinfected.  The Fire Dept may use the potable water line in case of major fire though.

After installing gas pumps and pipe to each subdivision we can work towards putting in an extra pipe around the subdivisions for fire protection purposes after the pumps are working good and pumping water to the subdivisions where the fire trucks and members can get at the water.  An adequate water supply seems to be our biggest problem.  We could eventually have sprinklers on our homes if we had a pump and pipe that could do it?

A fire boat will only slow the progress of working towards an adequate water supply.  We don't need the boat... we only need the pump!

Here is another good reason why a fire boat is not needed and gas powered pumps at Okanagan Lake are needed at each subdivision instead.  A fire boat cannot be in two places at once. 

Generators are not cheap either.  Shouldn't BC Hydro be looking after the power supply and not the Fire Dept?  Why does the Fire Dept want taxpayers to foot the bill for what BC Hydro should be doing.  Where is BC Hydro's emergency power generators?  BC Hydro is the power supplier.  If only BC Hydro could fulfill the position a little better at times.  Why doesn't BC Hydro have emergency generators to supply power to homes that may be without power for extended periods of time in minus 20 degree weather? Let BC Hydro be the power supplier.

Looks like the Fire Dept wants to be our ambulance personnel (first responders) and our hydro supplier now too.  Why are ambulances that attend rural areas sitting in town anyway?

The power outage brings attention once again to the need for emergency generators on all the water systems within the community.

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.pdf icon North Westside Fire Rescue 2008 Budget
Program: 023 -- North Westside Volunteer Fire / Rescue Department
from page 23

Residential Tax Rate 0.7216

Expenses
    Trucks 215,000 b.
    Marine Fire Boat $120,000 c.
    Boat House $30,000 c.
TOTAL $365,000

b. Replacement for Tender 101 was ordered in 2007, and is to be delivered in 2008.
c. Subject to community, committee and Board approvals.

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Feb 11, 2009 Governance and Services Committee Agenda

.pdf icon  Item 3a North Westside Ratepayers Association Letter.pdf (re: fire boat)
(This Ratepayers letter is dated January 29, 2009)

.pdf icon  Item 3b Preliminary RDCO Financial Plan 2009-2013.pdf

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.pdf icon February 11, 2009 Governance & Services Committee Meeting Minutes

North Westside Fire Boat - It was noted that correspondence has been received from the North Westside Ratepayers Association stating concerns regarding the possible purchase of a fire boat. Staff noted that the funds are in reserve fund and that no decision has been made whether to purchase a boat. The Regional District is waiting for the CGI Assessment study which has been undertaken for all the RDCO fire departments and recommendations from same. Once the information is received, the Fire Technical Committee will review the study and it is anticipated to provide recommendations. It is expected that the report will be completed by the end of the month.

Directors Shepherd and Reid left the meeting at 11:50 a.m.

#GS09/09 EDGSON/BAKER
THAT the January 29,2009 and the February 9,2009 letters from Diane Baldwin and Allastair Fergusson of the North Westside Ratepayers Association be received and referred to staff for a further response.

CARRIED

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.pdf icon January 26, 2009 Regional District of Central Okanagan Regular Board Meeting Minutes

9.3 Director Items

a) Watercraft Committee Appointment

SHEPHERD/RULE
THAT Director Reid be appointed to the Regional District's Watercraft Committee.

CARRIED

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Ratepayers letter dated November 18, 2008 addressed to the Regional District of Central Okanagan Directors regarding the purchase of a $150,000 fire boat and boat house.

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.pdf icon  Do we need a fireboat?
Dave Robertson's website
It would be a good idea if an independent, outside consultant
could be commissioned by the Regional District to study the
entire “strategic plan” of our fire chief to determine whether or not it is based on reality
, and serves our needs effectively.

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On Feb 7, 2009 we sent the North Westside Road Fire Chief an email asking him if he wouldn't mind answering these questions below so we may post his answers to this webpage.  We will post his answers here if and when he replies.  We are expecting that the Fire Chief will reply, as he has done in the past when we asked about something else.

These are the questions we are asking the Fire Chief:

1. Why is a fire boat better for the community than a floater pump? Could the Fire Chief give us the pros and cons?

2. If the North Westside Road Fire Dept ran out of water during the Fintry Delta house fire this last Christmas 2008, couldn't the fire dept take water from Okanagan Lake or did the fire dept take water from Okanagan Lake?

3. What water systems in the past has the fire dept run out of water from in the local fire protection service area in fighting a house fire?

4. How many times in the past can the fire chief recollect that a water utility in the local fire protection area has run out of water to fight a house fire; private utility, well or other potable water system?

5. Will the fire chief be making a presentation to the community regarding why a fire boat is needed, and if so when will this town hall meeting take place?

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The North Westside Fire Protection Area is about to become the next subject of an Fire Underwriters Survey.
The North Westside Fire Protection Area is about to become the next subject of an Fire Underwriters Survey.
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June 2008 Issue of the Westside Road Community News
regarding the North Westside Road Fire Rescue Dept wanting to purchase a fire boat.
The Estamont water system is a small private water system not designed to provide the quantities of water we needed.
okanaganlakebc.ca would post the NWCA newsletters but we feel since the NWCA has a website and they are being paid $1,000 this year by taxpayers through a grant-in-aid from RDCO, that it is the NWCA job to post the local newsletters.
 

The article above states that the Estamont water system is a small private water system not designed to provide the quantities of water we needed, but what about water directly from the lake using a floater pump that can be taken inland to other locations that does have water?  For instance:
What about a floater pump (as suggested) to draw water from the lake or VOS ponds... is there a boat launch to launch the fire boat into Valley of the Sun water filled ponds?  How long will it take to get the hose up to Valley of the Sun from Okanagan Lake compared to how long it would take to get a hose to Valley of the Sun ponds?  Surely this boat wouldn't be useful to Valley of the Sun or any place there is another water source closer (remember we are inland) than the lake.  How far inland can the firemen drag the hose?  We have Shorts Creek that could supply water for Shalal Road and maybe Upper Fintry could put a hose in at Shorts Creek as well?  Its a long way for those firemen to drag a hose from Westside Road or Upper Fintry downhill to the lake.  How long will setting up the hose take?  Will it be too late anyway?  How about we buy hoses and have them already set up???  Then we could hook up a floater pump to the fire hoses when needed and not waste any time having to get the hoses out and set them up.  How much do fire hoses cost?  Valley of the Sun could use a fire hose stretched out to the pond in the VOS subdivision and leave it there all the time ready and waiting.  The faster response the less gets burnt and the less chance of a fire getting out of hand the faster you attack it.  The guys whom need rescuing from the lake would be rescued by the many boats lining the shore, private or otherwise.  okanaganlakebc.ca thinks a dual pipe potable and fire protection water system is warranted at Valley of the Sun.  Two pipes would cost approx $1,200,000 in total.  The fire dept spends that much in just over two years on equipment and then we are still not protected that well.  okanaganlakebc.ca belief is it would be cheaper in the long run to have proper fire protection and a sprinkler system on each house here and forget the fire dept. fire boat.  Lets keep our insurance rates down and set up Valley of the Sun pond with a fire hose and the fire dept buy a floater pump.  Houses with wood stoves also need not have asphalt roofs immediately surrounding their chimney... they need some type of chimney fire protection and that would probably take care of some of the chimney fire houses burning down all the way to the ground.  Lets keep our insurance rates down and our memories in tack!  Memories are priceless (we are talking keepsakes and photos etc.)!!!  It would be easier not to have to move out of your house to start with, wouldn't it??

NWCA asking RDCO for $1,000 for their website October 27, 2008

Item 8.2 Central Okanagan West Electoral Area Grant in Aid.pdf

Contact NWCA

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Two homes - total loss

from North Westside Communities News Spring 2008 edition page 5-6
NWC News - When Fire Strikes - page 5
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.... continued page 6
NWC News - When Fire Strikes - page 6
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North Westside Fire Rescue
Marine Fire Boat Budget 2008, $120,000
Boat House Budget 2008, $30,000
(page 23 (.pdf) 2008 financial plan)

Regional District of Central Okanagan
2008-2012 Five Year Program Budget Projections
North Westside Volunteer Fire / Rescue Department
Regional District of Central Okanagan - North Westside Volunteer Fire / Rescue Dept - 2008 - 2012 Five Year Program Budget Projections
click Budget Projection above to read all budget projections (123 pages) on RDCO's website

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end of 2006 up to 2008 Minutes of the Fire Technical Advisory Committee (very large .pdf file)

Minutes of the Fire Technical Advisory Committee - just July 26, 2007 (smaller .pdf file)

Minutes of the Fire Technical Advisory Committee - just Oct 4, 2007 (smaller .pdf file)

 

Snippet from Oct 4, 2007 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
Fire Technical Committee minutes of the meeting October 4, 2007
This is just a snippet, please click on document to read the whole thing.

 

Snippet from July 26, 2007 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
Fire Protection Boundaries & Automatic & Mutual Aid Agreements - Responses outside of area
This is just a snippet, please click on document to read the whole thing.
North Okanagan Indian Band and North Westside Road Fire Dept. need a formal agreement re. responding on band land.

It was queried whether the Marine Rescue Program is valid.

KFD has 3 rescue boats

 

Snippet from July 26, 2007 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
Budget request for fire boat.  A floater pump was suggested.
This is just a snippet, please click on document to read the whole thing.
The NWCA Fire Advisory Committee? has requested that a Fire Boat for North Westside Road Fire Rescue be approved for fire fighting purposes from the shore.

a boat is not meant to fight land based structure fires, only docks and boats.

A floater pump was suggested.

Fire Chief of North Westside Road Fire / Rescue be requested to give a presentation on the need to purchase a fire boat.

 

Snippet from Nov 9, 2006 Fire Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
Marine Rescue out of area was discussed
This is just a snippet, please click on document to read the whole thing.
Marine Rescue out of area was discussed

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Doesn't add up
Vernon Morning Star Published: March 20, 2009

As an Okanagan Landing resident, a City of Vernon taxpayer, and a former 11-year member of the Okanagan Landing Volunteer Landing Fire Department, I am very concerned with attempts to place full-time union firefighters in our volunteer fire hall.

Ever since the Landing was annexed into the City of Vernon, the fire department has wanted to place full-time union firefighters in the Landing Hall.

As this would have been a huge expenditure for miniscule, if any, improvements in fire service, it has never been supported by Landing residents or city council.


Now VFD has a new fire chief and a former VFD deputy chief on council, and this push is on once again.

Thanks to the last Vernon fire chief, we now have VFD members acting as First Responders on ambulance calls (mainly because they wanted to give firefighters more work to do on their shifts, as fire calls were so infrequent).

Vernon residents are now picking up the tab for a provincial responsibility.

That there is now a move to expand this service by placing VFD members in the Landing Hall is financially irresponsible.

The ratio of full-time members needed for every firefighter at a station is 5:1.

To station a minimum of two VFD members at OK Landing Hall would mean hiring 10 new union firefighters.


At a rate of pay equal to Vancouver firefighters (as arbitrated during the Mayor McGrath era), this would put Vernon taxpayers on the hook for a low estimate of $800,000.

And this is just the first step in a plan to place a skeletal crew of four full-time union members in the Landing Hall.

Over $1.5 million for basically the same fire service currently being provided by OKLVFD.

Even during a boom economy, this would not be a rational decision.

Dan Dueck

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Fire consumes Spall home

Firefighters tackle a raging house fire in the 5100 block of Salmon River Road Saturday.

Vernon Morning Star - By Richard Rolke - Published: March 31, 2009

Fire has razed a Spallumcheen home.

The occupant of a residence in the 5100 block of Salmon River Road was forced to flee at about 1 p.m. Saturday after he noticed flames and smoke.

“He got out with a little bit of singeing,” said Alistair Crick, Armstrong-Spallumcheen deputy fire chief.

By the time crews arrived, the fire was established fully in the roof, making suppression challenging.

Also creating some difficulties was the lack of hydrants in the area so the fire departments from Ranchero and Enderby helped truck water to the scene.

“We had dead spots for about 10 minutes with no water so consequently we lost the building,” said Crick.

In the spring and summer, irrigation lines from adjacent farms can provide access to water but they are shut down in the winter.

Firefighters also had some problems getting on to the property.

“It’s up on a hillside so there was road access with a slippery driveway,” said Crick.

At this point, a cause for the fire is still being determined.

“It’s looking like it could be electrical but we will have to do more investigation,” said Crick.

The property owner did not have insurance.

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From Westside Road Communities News Jun 2008 Volume 4 ~ Issue 1 (page 16)
by Fire Chief Wayne Carson

Water supply:

The most critical component of fire fighting or structural protection is water supply.  Without an accessible water supply, all of the fire trucks in the world can't protect or extinguish your home.  In 1992 and 1998 the closest water supply at Shorts Creek was on the wrong side of the fire and inaccessible.  In both the 92 and 98 fires, the water tender had to go to Estamont to fill the tank.  The Estamont water system is a small private water system not designed to provide the quantities of water we needed.  Once the trucks were filled with 7.5 tons of water per load, the heavy trucks had to climb back up the Valley of the Sun hill to the fire ground.  This makes the turn around time for water re-supply unacceptable by anyone's standard, especially to the insurance companies that provide you with your home insurance.  Water supply has been the most difficult part of the problem to solve.  The various committees have discussed and researched everything from seadoos, man portable pumps, generators for existing water systems and boats.  The system best suited to our requirements is a high capacity water pump mounted in a boat.  This would allow us to pump water inland from anywhere along the shoreline.  The goal is to be able to provide water in volume to Westside Road anywhere in the District for fast re-supply and turn around time for the water tenders supplying water to the fire engines protecting structures in the upslope areas of the community.  As well it would be a valuable asset for structure or vehicle fires on or near the lake.  A boat could provide a platform for Marine Rescue should the community want that service and the RDCO decide to support that mandate for the fire department.  If you have any additional questions, please ask the fire chief Wayne Carson 545-1195

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(Snippets from Allastair Fergusson's letter found on local bulletin board April 14, 2008)

Please be advised that the North Westside Ratepayers Association, after conducting a poll of our members, does not support and in fact vigorously opposes the initiative and proposal to purchase a Fireboat for the North Westside Fire Protection area.

It is our belief that the one hundred and fifty thousand dollars ($150,000.00) as budgeted for would be better used in expanding our fire department through the purchase of more conventional fire fighting equipment.

Letter from the North Westside Ratepayers opposing the purchase of a fireboat for the North Westside Fire Protection area.
Click Allastair Fergusson (President of the North Westside Ratepayers) letter to RDCO Director of Engineering Hilary Hettinga to read larger print.

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One page from North Westside Road Communities News Dec 2008
explaining about the Fire Underwriters Survey

Westside Road Community News - Dec 2008
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North Westside Communities News
Fall 2007 Edition
North Westside Rescue Boat Needed
North Westside Rescue Boat Needed

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North Westside Communities News
Fall 2007 Edition page 5-6
Into the fire - 1998 - The Second Major Fire on the North Westside in 6 years

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this article continued below ...

... continued from above
North Westside Communities News
Fall 2007 Edition
Into the fire - 1998 - The Second Major Fire on the North Westside in 6 years

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Sept 2006 North Westside Communities News
Fire Season
by Fire Chief Wayne Carson
Sept 2006 North Westside Communities News - Fire Season
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North Westside Communities News
June 2007 Edition page 6
by Fire Chief Wayne Carson

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If you have comments good or bad, solutions, concerns or complaints regarding purchase of a fire boat in the Westside Road fire protection area, please make a comment to the community by filling out the form below, and/or comment to the Regional District of Central Okanagan directly, and/or directly to the North Westside Firehall, or Central Okanagan West Director Jim Edgson.

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Adv. Plan Comm. ] Alt. Approval ] Ambulance ] Argo Road ] BC Hydro ] Budget 2010 ] Budget 2011 ] Budget 2012 ] Budget 2013 ] Budget 2014 ] Budget 2015 ] Building Inspection ] Build Laws - BC ] Build Laws - RDCO ] Building Violations ] COW Elect 08 ] COW Elect. 11 ] Director Edgson ] Dogs ] Easement Roads ] EDC ] Elect. Boundary ] Environ. Advisory ] ESS ] Finance ] Fintry Develop ] Fintry Park ] Fire Boat ] Fire Bylaws ] Fire Dept. ] Fire Dept FOI ] Fire Hydrants ] Fire Minutes ] Fires House ] FOI Act ] Friends Fintry ] Garbage ] Garbage Area ] Garbage Bylaws ] Garb Comment 08 ] Garbage Contract ] Garbage Finance ] Garbage FOI ] Garbage FOI ] Garbage La Casa ] Garbage Locker ] Garbage Minutes ] Garbage NOWESI ] Garbage Ombudsman ] Garbage Questionaire ] Garbage Secret ] Garbage Solution ] Garbage Survey ] Garbage Traders ] Governance Wide ] Government ] Helicopters ] History ] Killiney Hall ] Killiney Park ] La Casa ] Motorized Rec. ] NW OCP ] NWCA ] NWCA FOI ] NW Parks ] OKIB ] OKIB Logging ] OKIB Road ] OKIB Tax ] Peacocks ] Police Tax ] Property Tax ] RDCO ] RDCO Dog Minutes ] RDCO Jokes ] RDCO Policy ] RDCO Regs ] Report Animals ] Septic Systems ] Subdiv. History ] T. Mtn After Fire ] Terrace Mnt. Fire ] Trench Burner ] Vote Box ] Water Budget 08 ] Water Budget 09 ] Water Budget 10 ] Water Bylaws ] Water Construct ] Water FOI ] Water Grants ] Water Judgements ] Water Laws ] Water Meters ] Water Minutes ] Water Rates ] Water Right-of-Way ] Water Survey ] Water System ] Water VOS ] Water VOS Pics ] Water Well Data ] Water Wells ] Westside Road ] WR Development ] WR Incorporation ] WR Overpass ] WRIC ] Zoning Bylaw 66 ] Zoning Bylaw 1981 ] Zoning Bylaw 871 ]

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